The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

Just be careful locking it with the phone app.

My daughter was visiting us and did just that but had inadvertently left her key in the car (she had her toddler with her so was unloading stuff). For some reason the app wouldn't then unlock the car!

Was a company car so she actually had to get the spare key sent to her as her employers held one key. She had to borrow wife's car for a few days until the key was delivered. Suffice to say she hasn't used the app function since

To be fair I locked my key in the seat last year, it's how I met my mate bill saved me and now we play golf once a week aha all good

 

[ColchesterFC]

All this proves is that we're all different with different likes and needs. We want a choice.
In 2010 your choice was Petrol or diesel (some LPG)
Now we have a choice.

Some want to keep their ICE. Fine. Keep it.
Some want a hybrid. Fine
Some want an EV with 250 miles of range. Fine
Some want a cheap EV run around. Fine.
Some want phase 3 home charging. Fine.
Some want 7kw/h home charging. Fine.
Some are happy with 3kw/h home charging. Fine.
Some want smart solar charging. Fine.

So now we have a choice.
Stick with your ICE and keep paying the billionaire oil companies or venture out into a brand new world.

Yep, because those electricity suppliers are notoriously hard up aren't they.

 

[PJ87]

Yep, because those electricity suppliers are notoriously hard up aren't they.

Thing is. We need to invest big time in green energy , anyone at all that says otherwise needs a head wobble. We are basically accepting that forever we will be at the mercy of Saudis and the Russians for energy.

Where as we could invest big in nuclear, solar, battery storage and wind turbines. Allowing us to be much more self sufficient and lower energy costs aswell

Last year was the most we have used green energy to power the grid which was brilliant

 

[Jimaroid]

Thing is. We need to invest big time in green energy , anyone at all that says otherwise needs a head wobble. We are basically accepting that forever we will be at the mercy of Saudis and the Russians for energy.

Where as we could invest big in nuclear, solar, battery storage and wind turbines. Allowing us to be much more self sufficient and lower energy costs aswell

No, the ones that need a head wobble are the green lobbyists.

There is no such thing as free energy.
No energy will ever be cheaper than fossil fuels prove to be.
If people want greener energy we need to be prepared to pay more for it, in both finance and risk.

Nuclear is the best option for the future. But it requires near unattainable investment, doesn't fit the green agenda, and its risks are misunderstood.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Electric cars have their use - you could see why someone in the city doing short journeys would have one - providing they can charge it etc

Costs - seems to be more expensive to purchase and insure and to run will be dependent on mileage

But I’m not sure if it’s cleaner or safer

To produce the level of extra electricity is going to cause issues , no doubt increase on pollution

Nuclear - yeah clean when it works , how about disposal, or when it goes wrong

There have been 100’s of nuclear incidents that have caused significant issues to environments and let’s not forget issues to humans including many deaths

And then there is lithium batteries - where are they all being disposed off - what’s the environmental impact

And of course you see things like this



And there have been similar for batteries disposal on fields etc

For me I don’t believe there is very little environmental impact of owning a electric car

It’s more placebo

They are great for those that love a gadget and like to have all these APs etc

Nice and quiet as well


But with the car being so quiet I wonder how many people have been knocked down by a electric car because they couldn’t hear it coming

 

[PJ87]

No, the ones that need a head wobble are the green lobbyists.

There is no such thing as free energy.
No energy will ever be cheaper than fossil fuels prove to be.
If people want greener energy we need to be prepared to pay more for it, in both finance and risk.

Nuclear is the best option for the future. But it requires near unattainable investment, doesn't fit the green agenda, and its risks are misunderstood.

It's better to pay the costs and invest in our own energy grid than just carry on and keep being at the mercy of the oil states and the gas states. Whilst killing the planet at the same time.

Nuclear is outstanding, and much needed. However all the rest is easily affordable and would produce growth for the economy. The green revolution is the next important stage of human development.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Energy has been cheap at the expense of the environment.

There has been a chronic lack of investment for decades and we are now paying for that.

 

[PJ87]

Electric cars have their use - you could see why someone in the city doing short journeys would have one - providing they can charge it etc

Costs - seems to be more expensive to purchase and insure and to run will be dependent on mileage

But I’m not sure if it’s cleaner or safer

To produce the level of extra electricity is going to cause issues , no doubt increase on pollution

Nuclear - yeah clean when it works , how about disposal, or when it goes wrong

There have been 100’s of nuclear incidents that have caused significant issues to environments and let’s not forget issues to humans including many deaths

And then there is lithium batteries - where are they all being disposed off - what’s the environmental impact

And of course you see things like this

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And there have been similar for batteries disposal on fields etc

For me I don’t believe there is very little environmental impact of owning a electric car

It’s more placebo

They are great for those that love a gadget and like to have all these APs etc

Nice and quiet as well


But with the car being so quiet I wonder how many people have been knocked down by a electric car because they couldn’t hear it coming

Electric Vehicle Myth-buster

Many staff might have concerns about switching from a fossil-fuel engine to an electric vehicle ('EV'). Here, we run through some of these reservations and bust some myths.

www.ed.ac.uk

Myth 4

Although manufacturing emissions from EV production are generally higher than those from building an internal combustion-engined (ICE) vehicle, EVs emit less overall – often one-half to two-thirds less over their lifetime – than ICE cars.9

The vast majority of EV emissions come from their energy-intensive battery manufacturing process. Further environmental damage is caused by the mining of precious metals used in batteries, including EV batteries.

According to the European Environment Agency, EV manufacturers are now aiming to produce their electric cars in carbon-neutral ways and new technology is beginning to improve the efficiency of batteries, making them lighter and less resource-intensive.10

Furthermore, once emissions from driving are factored in, EVs repay the carbon ‘debt’ from their production very quickly. After just two years of driving (based on 14,000 miles driven per year) EVs will have emitted less carbon than a new ICE car. This gap grows year after year, and EV emissions will continue to fall as countries decarbonize their energy mix. Even when comparing a brand new EV to continuing to drive an existing car, the carbon debt of manufacturing the new EV is repaid after just 4 years, because of how high tail-pipe emissions are for ICE vehicles.

Of course, the most environmentally way to drive is to do it as little as possible - in Scotland, 38% of journeys under 2 miles are done by car11 - but if you do need to drive, an EV is greener than a petrol or diesel car.

 

[PJ87]

Energy has been cheap at the expense of the environment.

There has been a chronic lack of investment for decades and we are now paying for that.

Yes I agree we have under invested for you are now it's costing us.

It's time to change that

 

[Jimaroid]

It's better to pay the costs and invest in our own energy grid than just carry on and keep being at the mercy of the oil states and the gas states. Whilst killing the planet at the same time.

What cost are people willing to bear? You can’t ignore geology. Where do we get the iron and zinc required to make steel to build our wind turbines?

Would the green lobby be happy with us returning to the days of open cast mining in the UK?

It’s impossible to invest in things that don’t exist.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

What cost are people willing to bear? You can’t ignore geology. Where do we get the iron and zinc required to make steel to build our wind turbines?

Would the green lobby be happy with us returning to the days of open cast mining in the UK?

It’s impossible to invest in things that don’t exist.

There will always be an environmental cost to energy but surely trying to minimise that cost is the way to go? The Ukraine war has also showed how we need to reduce our reliance on imported energy, gas in particular. Banks of wind turbines, as part of the solution, in our own country are preferable to gas moving along thousands of miles of pipelines.

 

[PJ87]

There will always be an environmental cost to energy but surely trying to minimise that cost is the way to go? The Ukraine war has also showed how we need to reduce our reliance on imported energy, gas in particular. Banks of wind turbines, as part of the solution, in our own country are preferable to gas moving along thousands of miles of pipelines.

We already have a lot of it in place we just need to store the energy we produce (IE batteries) so we can use when we need

Also the dynamic user tariffs have a huge part to play

 

[bobmac]

No energy will ever be cheaper than fossil fuels prove to be.

The United Nations disagree

Renewables: Cheapest form of power​

Renewables: Cheapest form of power | United Nations

Renewables are the cheapest form of power today confirms a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency. Amid climbing fossil fuel prices, investments in renewables in 2021 saves US$55 billion in global energy generation costs in 2022. Learn more

www.un.org

 

[Lord Tyrion]

We already have a lot of it in place we just need to store the energy we produce (IE batteries) so we can use when we need

Also the dynamic user tariffs have a huge part to play

The two big issues, as I understand it. The failure of the grid to link new turbines / solar to the grid itself. They are causing real problems. Two, the ability for projects to be blocked in planning far too easily.

We could do so much more if we remove the shackles.

 

[PJ87]

The two big issues, as I understand it. The failure of the grid to link new turbines / solar to the grid itself. They are causing real problems. Two, the ability for projects to be blocked in planning far too easily.

We could do so much more if we remove the shackles.

NIMBY

Not in my back yard

"Don't want to ruin the natural landscape" oh wait the natural fields that were man made over the years.

Don't want new power lines put in but complain about power cuts etc

 

[PJ87]

Day 2 of owning the Kia. Much more suited to our family than the Corsa was.

All that was in the Corsa boot I've managed to fit under the boot in the Kia, so tyre inflator, can of tyre sealant, that sort of stuff. Including the parcel shelf (that was like a kids tent you can fold it up and put away)

The vechile to load adapter is in there aswell.

Then the boot is free. Clubs fit (driver in place!!!) Will put my trolly in later for tomorrow.

In the "frunk" (front trunk) I have managed to fit the 3 pin charger so it's right near the charge port if I need it.

Car seats fit well, enough space for my eldest to fit between them for us to go out Sunday.

Very impressed with the size inside considering the size outside. Like a tardis

 

[bobmac]

And of course you see things like this

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For those who didn't follow up camju.com here's a few more images from LP's source of EV news. A nice balanced un-biased view of the world

 

[PJ87]

For those who didn't follow up camju.com here's a few more images from LP's source of EV news. A nice balanced un-biased view of the world

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Problem is whilst his information is wrong it's spun enough to be believable if it suits what you want to read. So you can't blame people for taking it at face value

Take the positives tho less EV drivers mean more chargers for us to use

 

[Jimaroid]

The United Nations disagree

Renewables: Cheapest form of power​

Renewables: Cheapest form of power | United Nations

Renewables are the cheapest form of power today confirms a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency. Amid climbing fossil fuel prices, investments in renewables in 2021 saves US$55 billion in global energy generation costs in 2022. Learn more

www.un.org

I’ll read more of it later but clearly that’s a headline with an agenda. We can’t disregard sunk cost, comparing ”now” to a future in which fossil fuel is priced high due to external world events is misleading. Example shown in their graph below, area under the plots confirms fossil gas cheaper as a mean.

The cost of what we pay vs cost of raw material is different. Fossil fuels, at source, are cheap and always will be. That’s the entire problem and it won’t change.

In another 10 to 20 years we’ll see the exact same price overlap when zinc, copper and cobalt become increasingly scarce and/or are more affected by geopolitics. Mineral extraction is no different to fossil fuel extraction, they’re all dirty and geopolitical.

I’m not a climate change denier. I’m pro nuclear. Renewables that depend on increasing rare earth mineral extraction are not the solution we need. They are part of the problem whichever side of the fence you sit on.

 

[PJ87]

I’ll read more of it later but clearly that’s a headline with an agenda. We can’t disregard sunk cost, comparing ”now” to a future in which fossil fuel is priced high due to external world events is misleading. Example shown in their graph below, area under the plots confirms fossil gas cheaper as a mean.

The cost of what we pay vs cost of raw material is different. Fossil fuels, at source, are cheap and always will be. That’s the entire problem and it won’t change.

In another 10 to 20 years we’ll see the exact same price overlap when zinc, copper and cobalt become increasingly scarce and/or are more affected by geopolitics. Mineral extraction is no different to fossil fuel extraction, they’re all dirty and geopolitical.

I’m not a climate change denier. I’m pro nuclear. Renewables that depend on increasing rare earth mineral extraction are not the solution we need. They are part of the problem whichever side of the fence you sit on.

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That's why colbate is being removed from new battery tech, whilst fossil fuels still use it.

Almost half of Tesla EVs produced in Q1 had no nickel, cobalt in battery

Electric vehicle maker Tesla equipped almost half of the EVs manufactured in the first quarter of 2022 with nickel and cobalt free lithium iron phosphate, or LFP, batteries, it said in its first quart

www.spglobal.com

Nuclear I agree is massively needed and is a very vital part of net zero. However we still need more solar farms and wind farms.