jim8flog
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I do not know, probably not as they get the fuel from the garage across the road
I was just making a general comment about the fairness of the system.
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I was just making a general comment about the fairness of the system.
NearHull
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a friend has been advised to stop driving for a period ( probably one month) after a TIA. He lives on his own and has BMW i3. Is there any specific short time storage issues or maintenance that he needs to address?
PJ87
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Such a short time not much issue
However always good advise to leave about 80% charged, and possibly disconnect the 12 volt to avoid it draining if car talks to anything
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PJ87
Journeyman Pro
The system is set up to be unfair tho isn't It? To encourage people to switch
Otherwise you wouldn't see the tax breaks for company car.. the until next year no car tax.. the no congestion charge until 2025 Dec etc etc
jim8flog
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It was just a 'generic' comment
However as already said it would probably be just 2 players a day that would get to use the charger and knowing how some think I bet the same people would ensure they get their early enough for it to be them. So if just once a week it becomes a £150 a year benefit if it is made free.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
I was meaning the club's system.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Doesn't matter tho does it? There are work places that offer free charging for staff which is unfair compared to those who pay to use ICE
Either way it's unfair , club, supermarket or work place (no doesn't need benefit in kind before anyone jumps on that. We been through that previously)
The clubs chargers have been there since the club opened in 2017, they are type one really basic poor chargers but are free (for those who will pay £60 got a type 1 to type 2 adapter) the speed is 3kw not 7 and there are 6 chargers . The most I've seen charging at once is 3 and that's only recently, normally their dead.
I've spoken to the GM about it he said he doesn't have the date yet but they are getting them upgraded to type 2 chargers however they will become pay to use. Which is the right thing to do. They cant make the current ones pay to use as they are proper basic chargers. Not smart chargers, they would need to replace them to make them pay to use .. so at the mo like you say the system is unfair. Can't say it's worth writing to the club about tho .. so really a non issue
Mudball
Assistant Pro
Charging experiment #4: going for full
As I was not going to use the car over the weekend, I decided to charge it to full using the home 3 pin connector. I had asked the sparky to put a new 3 pin in the garage, so perfect time to check it out.
start: Sat 2pm.. status 21% / 43 miles
End: Sunday 6pm .. status 100%/207m
Total: 28 hrs /164 miles / 63kwH about £19 (on expensive rates)
Temperature was in single digit all along
At about 11am on Sunday it hit 80% (20-80% in 21 hrs so nearly 3Kw/h) and then (80-100 in 7 hrs, so nearly consistent 3Kw/h)
On a slightly annoying note.. the claimed range of the 7kwH battery is 220miles. So good to see it show 207 on the display.
As I was not going to use the car over the weekend, I decided to charge it to full using the home 3 pin connector. I had asked the sparky to put a new 3 pin in the garage, so perfect time to check it out.
start: Sat 2pm.. status 21% / 43 miles
End: Sunday 6pm .. status 100%/207m
Total: 28 hrs /164 miles / 63kwH about £19 (on expensive rates)
Temperature was in single digit all along
At about 11am on Sunday it hit 80% (20-80% in 21 hrs so nearly 3Kw/h) and then (80-100 in 7 hrs, so nearly consistent 3Kw/h)
On a slightly annoying note.. the claimed range of the 7kwH battery is 220miles. So good to see it show 207 on the display.
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PJ87
Journeyman Pro
That will certainly help you be ahead of the game this week. Least you can grace charge each night and see how you end up by Friday
Mudball
Assistant Pro
That is my plan… Mrs planning to use the car on 3-4 days at least next week… so let’s see. Walk charger coming on Friday which will change things… once it is in place, I will be straight onto Octopus to switch to a lower tariff
BTW is 7kwH considered as a ‘fast charger’?? Manufacturer recommends charging upto 80 with fast charger but no such recommendation for granny charger .. hence I let it go all the way to 100..: ( not so sure about a 7k one)
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
No faster charging is using DC, anything using AC (which is what you use at home) Is just normal
80% with DC is perfect , anything above 80 the speed ramps down due to the chemical process of charging
GreiginFife
Money List Winner
On the bright side, that’s 19 quid for a 4/5 of a tank. I’m £35 for a quarter tank in the 8 series.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
If I had 0% in the Kia and charged all night because I just had to be somewhere it would cost me (36 KW at 28p and 28kw at 9p) £12.60
The Alhambra is a massive 73 litre a whooping £105. Sure I could go 600 miles on average for that £105 but 3 "tanks" in the Kia would be more than enough .. and less than half that cost.
Think what's more depressing ATM if I needed a full tank at pay at pump I couldn't even do it because £99 is the limit. Ridiculous costs of fuel
GreiginFife
Money List Winner
When petrol was at 159.9 I had to do two transactions to fill the 8er.
M340i only has a 60 litre tank but goes through it at double the rate.
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PJ87
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Corr I can imagine. I try and fill the big car up every 2 months. Doesn't really get below half a tank just out of habit incase it's needed.
Going to be interesting to see how many miles it's actually going to do this year once we can all fit in the Kia. I mean it's got one holiday penciled in when the wife takes the kids away but that's about it
Best keep that 12 volt charged up.
Mudball
Assistant Pro
This morning woke upto temperatures of -2 and frozen water droplet over the car. Ran the pre-conditioning. Last night i had it left it at 100%/207miles. This morning the car was 99%/197 miles. It is not liking the cold weather.
Mrs drove about 25-28 miles to work this AM. I can see the app saying.. 80%/155miles ..
The whole range reliability due to poor weather is another big factor against EVs
Fade and Die
Medal Winner
Just to add a bit of clarity on the upgrade to 3 phase.
Typically in town the main cable running down your street will be 3 phase, this will be a 4 core cable carrying 3 phases and a neutral. Each house in your street will be connected to one of the phases and the neutral by a 2 core cable.
UKPN will base their costs on what is involved to replace your 2 core cable with a 4 core. Length of run and if a road closure is required all adding to the price. They might also try to saddle you with some extra costs if they decide the local Sub-Station is fully loaded already and they need to upgrade switchgear in there. Unlikely but it does happen.
(It’s cheaper for Peeps that live in the countryside where they are supplied by overhead lines)
Once you have your 3 phase you need to get your supplier to swap your single phase meter for a 3 phase one. This should be free.
Then you need to get a sparky to fit a 3 phase distribution board in your house, this only needs to be small as it only needs to supply one piece of 3 phase equipment (the EV charger) and a single phase supply to your existing consumer unit.
So it’s not a small or a cheap job upgrading to 3P+N
Slime
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jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
As per PJ fast chargers are DC straight to the battery using the big pins/sockets on the car and tethered cable from the charger.
'Slower' charging is recommended as the way to extend battery life.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
The guess o meter is to 100% be ignored is the issue. It is running calculations so often it's very hard to keep up
For example when you put the heater on at that initial bit where it's using the most energy it will drop the range because it's predicting you will use that rate of energy constantly.. but you don't and then the range goes back up
Certainly doesn't like the weather but what to look at the miles per kWh you get summer and winter and times by the available kw in the battery to get the true range
Another example is I've woken up with 40% battery in the winter before and it's said 45 miles. My work trip is 50. I know it can easily do there and back with range to spare. Sure enough got home with 10%.
Once you get used to the car itself your range anxiety will go
Altho studying the app doesn't help
Oh one add. The range using a 3 pin plug I find for some reason it just thinks it's going to be more. I'll do a 3 pin to 100% it will say 215 miles.. if I do with a 7kw it says 180 miles which is more realistic
Soon adjusts when you move
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