The all things EV chat thread

[jim8flog]

Agree with this, a friend of mine lives in Surrey but does a fair bit of driving including regular trips to East Anglia where his family run a few petrol stations. He decided that a Range Rover Evoque Hybrid would be his next motor although did very little research. He just assumed that he could pootle around locally and use the electric and then the petrol side would sort out the longer journeys. In reality he has found that the first bit was true i.e. his 30 odd mile range on battery does cover a lot of the school runs etc the economy of the car is an absolute disaster on the regular long runs, he just doesn't get the range out of the petrol engine and he is now trying to sort something out with the dealership to enable him to swap back to an ICE car. He's keen to have an EV but for his driving it's not realistic at the moment.

That sounds like he bought a plug in Hybrid rather then a self charging one.

My experience of having a hire car which was self charging (Hyundai IONIQ) was that I was getting excellent MPG - 60 70 mpg but I was mainly using it for low mileage local runs

 

[jim8flog]

my latest problem (though not car manufacturer's problem)

To charge from a regular 3 pin.. i need an external socket, or leave a window open or run off an extension board.
Car booklet says dont use extension board. Obviously I cant leave a window open in this cold weather, nor do i have an external socket. I have been using an extension from the garage.

Today one of the builders blew the extension board. So no way to charge the car!!. Will have to take time off to go and charge it at Morrisons tomorrow

#ThingsThatYouNeverThinkOf

One of the things I did was to get the electricians installing the charger to also install outside sockets (mainly for gardening and buggy charging purposes ) very little extra cost compared to have an eletrician out to do that job only.

 

[jim8flog]

My golf club has free charging ATM but only because it's type 1 old school (buy an adapter for £60) they are looking to change them then charge for them

Logical

I am with Lord Tyrion this one .

Two people a day getting free electricity is hardly fair on the rest of the members. Would the club be willing to let those with petrol cars fill up at the greenkeepers shed for free
Most members surely live within range of the club to have the car charged up sufficiently to get there and back.

 

[GreiginFife]

Not all heros wear capes Greg how you finding it? How much was it?

It’s pretty much like normal electricity except it powers the big machines. The CU just looks like a bigger version of the old unit.

It was £2000+VAT but I got some tax relief on it because it was for a business. I also lifted and relaid the block paving on the drive for the install which saved me about £800.

 

[bobmac]

Would the club be willing to let those with petrol cars fill up at the greenkeepers shed for free

What would that cost the club?
100 cars, 50L tank, £1.40 per L
About £7,000 for one day.

2.5 Kw/h, 4 hours, 30p per hour
£3 per car

Not really a fair comparison

 

[PJ87]

I am with Lord Tyrion this one .

Two people a day getting free electricity is hardly fair on the rest of the members. Would the club be willing to let those with petrol cars fill up at the greenkeepers shed for free
Most members surely live within range of the club to have the car charged up sufficiently to get there and back.

I'm not saying it's fair. It should be charged which is why the club are changing the chargers to type 2 and then making them paid for (to cover the costs) but ATM they are free because there is zero way to make them chargeable, they are the incredibly basic charger.

The two most used cars there ATM are the general manager and the pro

Need to remember these chargers were installed when electric was cheap. When tax relief was very attractive for chargers

 

[PJ87]

It’s pretty much like normal electricity except it powers the big machines. The CU just looks like a bigger version of the old unit.

It was £2000+VAT but I got some tax relief on it because it was for a business. I also lifted and relaid the block paving on the drive for the install which saved me about £800.

That's not bad the £2000, thing that puts me off is getting the smart meter for it. If they could get them done there and then would be very tempted

 

[PJ87]

What would that cost the club?
100 cars, 50L tank, £1.40 per L
About £7,000 for one day.

2.5 Kw/h, 4 hours, 30p per hour
£3 per car

Not really a fair comparison

Aren't the green keepers on red diesel? Which is a cheaper and B can't be used by normal cars legally.

 

[Mudball]

One of the things I did was to get the electricians installing the charger to also install outside sockets (mainly for gardening and buggy charging purposes ) very little extra cost compared to have an eletrician out to do that job only.

As part of the building works we are currently doing, I took the bullet to rewire the garage. Initially it had a bulb and everything on extension boards. So asked the sparky to put some lighting and couple of sockets.

Similar to you, a few posts ago @pauljames87 also suggested a socket for jet washing the car/mowing. So asked the sparky to add an additional socket near the door on the inside.. so now charging the car via that.. the cable nicely goes under the garage door

It’s pretty much like normal electricity except it powers the big machines. The CU just looks like a bigger version of the old unit.

It was £2000+VAT but I got some tax relief on it because it was for a business. I also lifted and relaid the block paving on the drive for the install which saved me about £800.

Curious about this. How did you split your single phase from the leccy board to 3 phase? Normal sparky or the Board? Do you need permission. If I go down the route, I need to do it this week before the 7k charger goes on the wall. Will it work with solar feed back ?

 

[clubchamp98]

Aren't the green keepers on red diesel? Which is a cheaper and B can't be used by normal cars legally.

There would be a petrol storage for the mowers, strimmers etc.

Electricity is one of the major costs in a club now !
So if members / staff want to charge their cars they should pay for it.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

As part of the building works we are currently doing, I took the bullet to rewire the garage. Initially it had a bulb and everything on extension boards. So asked the sparky to put some lighting and couple of sockets.

Similar to you, a few posts ago @pauljames87 also suggested a socket for jet washing the car/mowing. So asked the sparky to add an additional socket near the door on the inside.. so now charging the car via that.. the cable nicely goes under the garage door




Curious about this. How did you split your single phase from the leccy board to 3 phase? Normal sparky or the Board? Do you need permission. If I go down the route, I need to do it this week before the 7k charger goes on the wall. Will it work with solar feed back ?

3 phase is in the street via 3 cables, and each house gets one cable off the main feed cable giving each house 240v, single phase.

 

[PJ87]

There would be a petrol storage for the mowers, strimmers etc.

Electricity is one of the major costs in a club now !
So if members / staff want to charge their cars they should pay for it.

Once again. That's exactly what I am saying. You see very few free chargers now electric is costly. Which means they are blocked less and only used by people who need them.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

There would be a petrol storage for the mowers, strimmers etc.

Electricity is one of the major costs in a club now !
So if members / staff want to charge their cars they should pay for it.

I wonder if the advocates of free(loading) charging would be just as happy if their neighbours plugged into their leccy to charge...

 

[PJ87]

I wonder if the advocates of free(loading) charging would be just as happy if their neighbours plugged into their leccy to charge...

Has anyone actually said charging should be free or are we riding a myth?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Has anyone actually said charging should be free or are we riding a myth?

Once again. That's exactly what I am saying. You see very few free chargers now electric is costly. Which means they are blocked less and only used by people who need them.

If someone can afford to buy an EV, and even more be able to afford to play golf, then who "needs them"?

 

[PJ87]

If someone can afford to buy an EV, and even more be able to afford to play golf, then who "needs them"?

The people who need to charge? If their paid for people who need to charge (maybe they are visitors, maybe they don't have charging at home) can charge and those who just been using them for a freebie will stop.

Affordably means nothing. It's how the rich stay rich. Some of the most thrifty people around are those with lots of money.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

The people who need to charge? If their paid for people who need to charge (maybe they are visitors, maybe they don't have charging at home) can charge and those who just been using them for a freebie will stop.

Affordably means nothing. It's how the rich stay rich. Some of the most thrifty people around are those with lots of money.

Its good to know you won't object when anyone pulls onto your drive and starts to charge their car on your leccy.

 

[PJ87]

Its good to know you won't object when anyone pulls onto your drive and starts to charge their car on your leccy.

Sorry but what the hell are you talking about? More twisting of words to suit your agenda because you have no argument?

If the club starts charging for charging what's the issue?

Why would I care about people using my charger? Is it yet more lack of understanding from you about how things work? How is remotely disabled unless activated by myself?

Let me know when you locate your point.

 

[GreiginFife]

As part of the building works we are currently doing, I took the bullet to rewire the garage. Initially it had a bulb and everything on extension boards. So asked the sparky to put some lighting and couple of sockets.

Similar to you, a few posts ago @pauljames87 also suggested a socket for jet washing the car/mowing. So asked the sparky to add an additional socket near the door on the inside.. so now charging the car via that.. the cable nicely goes under the garage door




Curious about this. How did you split your single phase from the leccy board to 3 phase? Normal sparky or the Board? Do you need permission. If I go down the route, I need to do it this week before the 7k charger goes on the wall. Will it work with solar feed back ?

It was done via the “board”, Centrica branded van turned up.

I did have to get permission but was slightly different application as it was for a registered business and my justification was heavy machinery. So was granted permission pretty much immediately.

Not sure what the process for a domestic install would be, might be the same, I am assuming it was different for a business install.

HID just corrected me, SP Networks van for the power. Centrica was when they were inspecting a gas line on the boundary.

 

[PJ87]

It was done via the “board”, Centrica branded van turned up.

I did have to get permission but was slightly different application as it was for a registered business and my justification was heavy machinery. So was granted permission pretty much immediately.

Not sure what the process for a domestic install would be, might be the same, I am assuming it was different for a business install.

HID just corrected me, SP Networks van for the power. Centrica was when they were inspecting a gas line on the boundary.

I haven't looked into 3 phase yet however I did have my fuse upgraded to highest they would do (80 amp) to have 100 they said I need to be unlooped from next doors supply which would just be a faff ATM (considering I don't need the amps ATM, even with battery. Car, washing. Tumble and dishwasher all going at once I've not gone over 50 amp)

I did however upgrade my consumer unit and had the tails upgraded to 25mm ready for if I ever do