The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

You can say that again:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/

I can't help feeling that Tesla have a similar attitude to the likes of Apple: "our products are the best and nobody should dare criticise them"

I think Tesla's issue is they have built a car company from scratch whilst reinventing the wheel.

Nissan with the leaf built an entire EV from the ground up but have a background in cars

Tesla have built a car brand, in EVs, built a charging network all from scratch

I make you right about the apple comparison

 

[larmen]

I'd like to see the Polestar and Fisker offerings.

I had a look at the Fisker in the shopping centre. I like it, but I am not in the market for a car at that price.

 

[PJ87]

I had a look at the Fisker in the shopping centre. I like it, but I am not in the market for a car at that price.

What I like now is prices are starting to at least look semi sensible. The mg range is fantastic value. Give it a few more years and the second hand market will be even better. I mean when I pick up my next one I'm looking 2-3 years old so will have 4-5 years warranty left from Kia

Imagine buying a 5 year old mg and having a 2 year warranty , you can get 2 year old ones now mg5 for 16k

Once it hits 5 years old get that sub 10k for a car that does 250 miles to a charge

 

[Hobbit]

What I like now is prices are starting to at least look semi sensible. The mg range is fantastic value. Give it a few more years and the second hand market will be even better. I mean when I pick up my next one I'm looking 2-3 years old so will have 4-5 years warranty left from Kia

Imagine buying a 5 year old mg and having a 2 year warranty , you can get 2 year old ones now mg5 for 16k

Once it hits 5 years old get that sub 10k for a car that does 250 miles to a charge

Had a ride in a MG Uber a couple of weeks back. Very smooth, very quiet. Big sumptuous seats. Two very big cases went into the boot with plenty of space spare. Only downside was the parcel shelf looked very flimsy.

 

[cliveb]

Imagine buying a 5 year old mg and having a 2 year warranty , you can get 2 year old ones now mg5 for 16k

Did you see that the current MG5 saloon scored zero stars in Australian crash tests?
Could well be that whatever is sold as MG5 in Oz is a different car, but it doesn't sound that reassuring.

My daughter has a MG ZS EV and I am not impressed with the design and build quality.

 

[bobmac]

Did you see that the current MG5 saloon scored zero stars in Australian crash tests?
Could well be that whatever is sold as MG5 in Oz is a different car, but it doesn't sound that reassuring.

Is that the MG ICE cars or the MG EVs?

 

[GreiginFife]

Is that the MG ICE cars or the MG EVs?

Is there an ICE option on the MG5?

 

[Mudball]

What I like now is prices are starting to at least look semi sensible. The mg range is fantastic value. Give it a few more years and the second hand market will be even better. I mean when I pick up my next one I'm looking 2-3 years old so will have 4-5 years warranty left from Kia

Imagine buying a 5 year old mg and having a 2 year warranty , you can get 2 year old ones now mg5 for 16k

Once it hits 5 years old get that sub 10k for a car that does 250 miles to a charge

Tesla don’t hold value.. one primary reason is that Tesla new is cheaper than second hand…. It is a phone market type approach

 

[cliveb]

Is that the MG ICE cars or the MG EVs?

The article didn't say if it was ICE or EV.
But since the crash test failures were to do with basic structural shortcomings, not sure if that's relevant.
Of course the MG5 in the UK is an estate, so it's obviously not the exact same car. But it still rings alarm bells about MGs in general.

 

[PJ87]

Is there an ICE option on the MG5?

Yes that model is the sedan and is an ice car as opposed to the mg5 EV that's available in the UK

Did you see that the current MG5 saloon scored zero stars in Australian crash tests?
Could well be that whatever is sold as MG5 in Oz is a different car, but it doesn't sound that reassuring.

My daughter has a MG ZS EV and I am not impressed with the design and build quality.

Yes it's a completely different car, one of the odd ones where in the UK an mg5 is x and elsewhere it's y. Lazy from the naming department

 

[bobmac]

My daughter has a MG ZS EV and I am not impressed with the design and build quality.

No need to worry, Euro NCAP gives it 5 stars

Official MG ZS EV 2019 safety rating

Euro NCAP safety rating of the MG ZS EV 2019: detailed results, crash test pictures, videos and comments from experts

www.euroncap.com

 

[PIng]

Had a ride in a MG Uber a couple of weeks back. Very smooth, very quiet. Big sumptuous seats. Two very big cases went into the boot with plenty of space spare. Only downside was the parcel shelf looked very flimsy.

On my MG5 the parcel shelf is just a retractable cover to hide whatever you put in the boot.
I've had the car for about 18 months now and had no problems - very fast, very smooth and plenty of space.
The boot isn't massive for an estate car but I can get the clubs and trolley in and still hide them with the parcel shelf.

 

[cliveb]

No need to worry, Euro NCAP gives it 5 stars

Official MG ZS EV 2019 safety rating

Euro NCAP safety rating of the MG ZS EV 2019: detailed results, crash test pictures, videos and comments from experts

www.euroncap.com

That's comforting from a safety pov.

What's not comforting is the stupidly bad design of the charge port cover. A bit of flimsy plastic which snaps off if you sneeze on it. And then the MG dealer quotes £600 to replace it

 

[PJ87]

On my MG5 the parcel shelf is just a retractable cover to hide whatever you put in the boot.
I've had the car for about 18 months now and had no problems - very fast, very smooth and plenty of space.
The boot isn't massive for an estate car but I can get the clubs and trolley in and still hide them with the parcel shelf.

They look brilliant, is it the new facelift model or the previous?

I am very tempted with one , infact they seem very good as a second car when the kids get out of car seats

I was looking at one for next year but just felt like the Kia was slightly more refined

But isn't that the same as people now picking say a BMW over a ford. Both do the same thing and perform excellent.

 

[PIng]

They look brilliant, is it the new facelift model or the previous?

I am very tempted with one , infact they seem very good as a second car when the kids get out of car seats

I was looking at one for next year but just felt like the Kia was slightly more refined

But isn't that the same as people now picking say a BMW over a ford. Both do the same thing and perform excellent.

I've got the pre-facelift version. The only thing the face-lift has that I'd want is the phone app for warming up the car while you enjoy a cup of tea, and for monitoring the charging etc. On the downside, the face-lift has put some of the climate controls on the touchscreen rather than have easy to use buttons.

 

[PJ87]

I've got the pre-facelift version. The only thing the face-lift has that I'd want is the phone app for warming up the car while you enjoy a cup of tea, and for monitoring the charging etc. On the downside, the face-lift has put some of the climate controls on the touchscreen rather than have easy to use buttons.

Yes the behind the touch screen is a very annoying thing we seem to have to want to like as all car makers are insisting on moving over to it.

That mg5 pre facelift is a proper work horse. See them all over London as private hires but also there is this company that uses them as their work vans for servicing EVs all over the UK . Pretty good idea. Think I saw they bought a 2 year old one for 16k and they have done 100k miles in one with no battery degrading

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701685306431320433

 

[bobmac]

That's comforting from a safety pov.

What's not comforting is the stupidly bad design of the charge port cover. A bit of flimsy plastic which snaps off if you sneeze on it. And then the MG dealer quotes £600 to replace it

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[AussieKB]

NO and then again NO

 

[bobmac]

NO and then again NO

I have say, I don't blame you with the long journeys and insufficient charging infrastructure, I probably wouldn't buy one either

 

[PJ87]

I have say, I don't blame you with the long journeys and insufficient charging infrastructure, I probably wouldn't buy one either

This is where we are now. I've evaluated all the journeys we do as a family. I do roughly 12,000 miles a year mostly city driving. The other car does 3000 a year. Majority short distance but some long

Of those 15,000 miles a year we have gone a distance that would need a charge twice in a 3 year period

I mean our location helps. We can do a trip to say Legoland (never again) or Chessington and back on a single charge. Can even go to the seaside an back (125 mile round trip) comfortably

The trips where we are going further that would require a charge we stay over at the moment anyways so would just need a bump charge.

My 3 year (thus far) beta test of EV has concluded that I don't want to buy another ICE car (personal choice) I will buy another EV at the end of this lease (it won't be PSA group. Another finding) and when the kids are older I'll push to phase out the Alhambra for something like a leaf or a mg5 ..

I'd happily run 2 EVs once the natural life of the Alhambra is reaching it's end. It's what 7 years old now so could easily do 4 more years . Only just ticked over to 78000 miles (I got it on 66000 4 years ago in April)