The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

Cars are far to complicated now.
to many things taken out of the drivers control.
Has any oem got the nerve to build a basic car at a lower cost ?

I believe in the interests of safety they are striving for auto driving only problem is us. You need full auto driving on roads for it to actually be safe as computers can't predict human behaviour

Safety aids are great but I do agree self driving I think is a step too far. It won't work unless we all have it as nobody can't afford cars with the tech anyways what's the point??

 

[Slime]

I believe in the interests of safety they are striving for auto driving only problem is us. You need full auto driving on roads for it to actually be safe as computers can't predict human behaviour

Safety aids are great but I do agree self driving I think is a step too far. It won't work unless we all have it as nobody can't afford cars with the tech anyways what's the point??

Sorry, I don't understand that.

 

[clubchamp98]

I believe in the interests of safety they are striving for auto driving only problem is us. You need full auto driving on roads for it to actually be safe as computers can't predict human behaviour

Safety aids are great but I do agree self driving I think is a step too far. It won't work unless we all have it as nobody can't afford cars with the tech anyways what's the point??

Had a small problem yesterday in mine.
coming out of a car park there was a storm drain about 3” deep then onto a speed bump.
I was only doing about 5mph but the sensors detected the bump and slammed the brakes on.
And I do mean slammed it’s not very subtle.
The wife bumped her head on the sun visor as she wasn’t expecting it.
Most people don’t belive “ it wasn’t me it was the car”
I think the driver should have total control but you can’t turn this off.

I would buy a car that didn’t have all these gadgets that you have to drive yourself.
imo were going the wrong way.

 

[PJ87]

Sorry, I don't understand that.

Its pretty simple, all car makers are striving for automatic driving in the interest of safety etc

However human beings are a big issue and are the cause of majority of accidents

Until all cars are fully self drive is not overly safe to use auto driving on the roads as they computers can't predict human behaviour.

Like smart motorways. Brilliant on paper. But in practice it takes 1 person to ignore the simply instructions to cause a massive accident

 

[clubchamp98]

Its pretty simple, all car makers are striving for automatic driving in the interest of safety etc

However human beings are a big issue and are the cause of majority of accidents

Until all cars are fully self drive is not overly safe to use auto driving on the roads as they computers can't predict human behaviour.

Like smart motorways. Brilliant on paper. But in practice it takes 1 person to ignore the simply instructions to cause a massive accident

I agree.
But at the moment gadgets in cars are overriding the driver.
Imo that’s not safe.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Its pretty simple, all car makers are striving for automatic driving in the interest of safety etc

However human beings are a big issue and are the cause of majority of accidents

Until all cars are fully self drive is not overly safe to use auto driving on the roads as they computers can't predict human behaviour.

Like smart motorways. Brilliant on paper. But in practice it takes 1 person to ignore the simply instructions to cause a massive accident

The problem would be making the change from human drivers to auto. It would have to be done on a set date when all driver operated vehicles were removed from the roads and only automatic driving cars were allowed. And I can't see how that can possibly happen. Could the manufacturers supply enough for the demand? And not everyone would be able to afford to make the switch.

 

[PJ87]

The problem would be making the change from human drivers to auto. It would have to be done on a set date when all driver operated vehicles were removed from the roads and only automatic driving cars were allowed. And I can't see how that can possibly happen. Could the manufacturers supply enough for the demand? And not everyone would be able to afford to make the switch.

Exactly, people think EVs are costly , at least other options are available

But auto drive? It's all or nothing really

 

[GB72]

Cars are far to complicated now.
to many things taken out of the drivers control.
Has any oem got the nerve to build a basic car at a lower cost ?

I would love to see that, a really simple car with as little as possible to go wrong. I would be happer to go back to hand wound windows, light bulbs and fusese you could change yourself and a simple engine. The only thing I would not want to give up is the stereo with phone connection but that could be fitted after market.

 

[jim8flog]

I was dong the maths again today

Based upon current electricity and fuel prices plus assuming I did all the charging at home, an electric would save me £120 a year in running cost and that could easily be lost as when I visit my son I know I would have to make use of commercial charges which are twice the cost of charging at home (according to my research).

 

[clubchamp98]

I would love to see that, a really simple car with as little as possible to go wrong. I would be happer to go back to hand wound windows, light bulbs and fusese you could change yourself and a simple engine. The only thing I would not want to give up is the stereo with phone connection but that could be fitted after market.

Yep me to.
should be able to have a basic car and add your own spec.
would half the price sp probably not enough profit for big oems.

 

[cliveb]

I believe in the interests of safety they are striving for auto driving only problem is us. You need full auto driving on roads for it to actually be safe as computers can't predict human behaviour

Safety aids are great but I do agree self driving I think is a step too far. It won't work unless we all have it as nobody can't afford cars with the tech anyways what's the point??

The problem with "self-driving" is that the driver is required to remain vigilant and be ready to take over.
It was demonstrated many years ago that humans monitoring machines does not work well - the mind wanders.
Far better to have the human doing the job and the machine monitoring them, since machines don't get bored.
And if the machine makes a mistake, the human is able to ignore/override the warning.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Yep me to.
should be able to have a basic car and add your own spec.
would half the price sp probably not enough profit for big oems.

Is a Dacia not what you are describing or looking for?

 

[bobmac]

I was dong the maths again today

Based upon current electricity and fuel prices plus assuming I did all the charging at home, an electric would save me £120 a year in running cost and that could easily be lost as when I visit my son I know I would have to make use of commercial charges which are twice the cost of charging at home (according to my research).

You cant be doing many miles per month or you're paying alot for your electricity if you're only saving £10 per month.
Shell energy...29.48p per Kwh all day.
I take it you haven't factored in oil changes and servicing into your running costs?

 

[PJ87]

I was dong the maths again today

Based upon current electricity and fuel prices plus assuming I did all the charging at home, an electric would save me £120 a year in running cost and that could easily be lost as when I visit my son I know I would have to make use of commercial charges which are twice the cost of charging at home (according to my research).

What is this based on electric price wise? Because you go onto an EV tariff and charge at 9.5p kw most whilst normal rates for rest of day

Unless your doing really little milage the saving should be slightly higher

For example I do 250 miles per week which costs about £7 if I had to do all at home

If I take my diesel car 250 miles costs about £36

So almost £30 a week savings £1500 people year savings

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Is a Dacia not what you are describing or looking for?

Or an old Granada?

Don’t by a modern car if you don’t like them

 

[BubbaP]

Is a Dacia not what you are describing or looking for?

I thought that, but maybe 'used to be' is closer...

 

[cliveb]

I was dong the maths again today

Based upon current electricity and fuel prices plus assuming I did all the charging at home, an electric would save me £120 a year in running cost and that could easily be lost as when I visit my son I know I would have to make use of commercial charges which are twice the cost of charging at home (according to my research).

Commercial EV chargers are WAY more than double the cost of electricty at home.

Notwithstanding that, I see your point.
A typical petrol car costs about 15p a mile for fuel.
An EV does about 4 miles per kWh (that's being generous), and I currently pay around 20p per unit for electricity, so that's 5p a mile.
Since a typical EV costs at least £5k more than an equivalent petrol car, you need to do at least 50,000 miles before you've broken even.

What is this based on electric price wise? Because you go onto an EV tariff and charge at 9.5p kw most whilst normal rates for rest of day

But if you go onto an EV tariff, you pay more than the standard rate for daytime electricity. If you can't shift your usage pattern easily, and don't do a high mileage, an EV tariff makes no sense.

 

[PJ87]

Commercial EV chargers are WAY more than double the cost of electricty at home.

Notwithstanding that, I see your point.
A typical petrol car costs about 15p a mile for fuel.
An EV does about 4 miles per kWh (that's being generous), and I currently pay around 20p per unit for electricity, so that's 5p a mile.
Since a typical EV costs at least £5k more than an equivalent petrol car, you need to do at least 50,000 miles before you've broken even.


But if you go onto an EV tariff, you pay more than the standard rate for daytime electricity. If you can't shift your usage pattern easily, and don't do a high mileage, an EV tariff makes no sense.

Octopus go has returned to 9.50p night 31p all other times as stated above (in my area) flexible is 30.75p now .. so that fraction of a pence wont even make a dent

Have just seen octopus offer loyal deal at 28p so 3000 kw a year at 3p is £90 so average users would pay £90 more for their house but save on car

 

[SteveJay]

What is this based on electric price wise? Because you go onto an EV tariff and charge at 9.5p kw most whilst normal rates for rest of day

Unless your doing really little milage the saving should be slightly higher

For example I do 250 miles per week which costs about £7 if I had to do all at home

If I take my diesel car 250 miles costs about £36

So almost £30 a week savings £1500 people year savings

But that's still many years to recoup the high initial outlay for an EV, plus installation of a home charger. That's what put me off EV when I changed my car last year.

 

[PJ87]

But that's still many years to recoup the high initial outlay for an EV, plus installation of a home charger. That's what put me off EV when I changed my car last year.

Price is dropping for second hand

Kia niro EV 2 year old model I want 25k
Kia niro hybrid 20k for similar spec

Break even point less than 5 years