Skoda Superb ?, not tour bags to be fair but otherwise possible.
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PJ87
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That's not the average car tho
My seat Alhambra would fit a fair few sets
But average would be maybe 2 adults and 2 sets at a push
Plus under covid you can't travel together ?
You said real world car ?.
I can fit 3 adults, bags and trolleys in my Superb, 4 adults and bags, no trolleys.
bobmac
Major Champion
Would you want to be in a car with 4 adults for 6 hours without a break?
I think the point clubchamp is making is how is range affected by a fully loaded car? A family going on holiday, rammed so you can't see out the back window ?. I see a lot of them heading north up the A1 in the summer months. What is the impact for them?
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
https://www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf/range-charging.html
Plenty of information out there if you know where to look..
I didn't say I needed to know, clubchamp did ?.
I'll be keeping my big booted car for a while yet. I'm looking forward to giving golfers lifts post covid ?. (3 more years of university trips also influences the decision)
Yikes, just checked. Transporting your family in winter is a killer. The classic visiting relatives journey.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Just get your Skoda superb estate in plug in hyrbid form .. on sale until 2034 ... Would last 15 years minimum
The range won't be that small come the future I'm sure.
There is so many things you can do to help aswell
Pre condition the car using the plug.. the battery will get to the best condition for performance .. the car will be warm so won't need to use the heating on full
Should add a few miles.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
you ever feel some go too far the other way and wont hear the tiniest bit of criticism when it doesnt suit other peoples circumstances in the way it does theres?
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Yes and no
Criticism that isn't already myth busted and disproven on many levels ...
Actual questions that people worry about fair enough
It's not a perfect science .. and it prob won't be for a while (if ever) but the myth spreading it much like the anti vaccination lot.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
You mean those with an open mind with independent thought who like to do their own research and not necessarily conform because they are told to by the govt/large corps/mainstream press and peer pressure? We're all different and have different levels of understanding and knowledge we like to achieve before accepting or making big decisions, always helps to try and see both sides rather than taking one and criticising the other blindly imo. Just because some disagrees with you doesnt mean they are wrong, but as time passes society is becoming less and less understanding of people with a different viewpoint (even though its often one of the best ways to learn). Things arent always black or white........
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Spot on. The biggest issue with this subject is the evangelical devotion of its followers who will not hear a word of criticism against electric vehicles.
Currently to use an electric vehicle you have to pay over the odds, compared to an equivalent ICE vehicle if one exists, for less range and the likelihood is that you will still be creating as much pollution as the electric vehicles cause more pollution to manufacture and the electricity they use will still come from fossil fuels. As and when the electric vehicles are an equivalent price for an equivalent product (including range) and the electricity is cleaner then electric vehicles will sell themselves.
Until then the maniacal devotion of their proponents who refuse to see any fault in them actually drive reasonably minded people away from electric vehicles, and disparaging comments like to one in the quote in bold only do more damage. If you want to convert people to your cause engage them, don't insult them.
clubchamp98
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I have a VW T Roc which I would say is a normal family car .
Before COVID I can get four carry bags ( woods out) in the boot.
It has a ski hatch in the rear seat that gets the woods in no problem.
But nobody has answered the range question that this added weight has on the range.
Forget golf clubs and add four suitcases same thing probably heavier if my missus is anything to go by.
Just heard on TV that electric cars cannot be towed if they break down ! Is this true??
Before COVID I can get four carry bags ( woods out) in the boot.
It has a ski hatch in the rear seat that gets the woods in no problem.
But nobody has answered the range question that this added weight has on the range.
Forget golf clubs and add four suitcases same thing probably heavier if my missus is anything to go by.
Just heard on TV that electric cars cannot be towed if they break down ! Is this true??
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Look at the range calculator I posted from nissan.
Click family
It is for 5 people in the car
4 suitcases you could almost say is 1 person so call that your 4 person 4 cases
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Sorry but you are a prime example of spreading myths and always come back with the same comments about pollution and when bob or anyone shows you evidence proving otherwise you slope back off into hiding.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Like I stated those with genuine concerns no issues
Myth spreaders who claim the same disproved myths as fact and even when shown evidence won't take on board
PJ87
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clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
104 for the normal leaf.
So will be less if real world driving.
One thing surprised me is it won’t go over 65mph.
So without a recharge 50 mls is tops if I want to get home.
So will be less if real world driving.
One thing surprised me is it won’t go over 65mph.
So without a recharge 50 mls is tops if I want to get home.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
In a few years that will improved
The hyuandi Kona for example 301 mile range prob 250 real world
However did you notice how little difference on the calculation the miles was for solo compared to family? Couple miles
Just found this about the electric production in the UK
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...bles-fossil-fuels-national-grid-a8967741.html
That coupled with Boris announcing we are going to push it even further (prob won't ofc but going right way)
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Slope off back into hiding; or not bothering to engage with the blinkered?
https://www.energy-uk.org.uk/our-work/generation/electricity-generation.html
Most of the UK’s electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels, mainly natural gas (42% in 2016) and coal (9% in 2016). A very small amount is produced from other fuels (3.1% in 2016).
Renewable technologies use natural energy to make electricity. Fuel sources include wind, wave, marine, hydro, biomass and solar. It made up 24.5% of electricity generated in 2016 - this will rise as the UK aims to meet its EU target of generating 30% of its electricity from renewable sources by 2020.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...t_data/file/894920/Press_Notice_June_2020.pdf
- Provisional calculations show that 13.2 per cent of final energy consumption in 2019 came from renewable sources, up from 12.0 (revised) per cent in 2018, as measured against the UK’s target to reach 15 per cent by 2020 under the 2009 EU Renewable Directive.
- Fossil fuel’s share of generation decreased to 35.4 per cent in Q1 2020, as the fuel mix continued to move towards renewable sources. This is a new record low for fossil fuels.
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/data-portal/electricity-generation-mix-quarter-and-fuel-source-gb
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/emissions/are-electric-cars-actually-worse-for-the-environment/
A report by the European Environment Agency (EEA) highlights that emissions from battery electric vehicle (BEV) production are generally higher than those from internal combustion engine vehicle (ICEV) production.
One study suggests that CO2 emissions from electric car production are 59% higher than the level in production of traditional internal combustion engine vehicles (ICEVs).
Most car batteries are made in China, South Korea and Japan, where the use of carbon in electricity production is relatively high.
An EEA report3 found that in China, 35-50% of total EV manufacturing emissions arise from electricity consumption for battery production. These emissions are up to three times higher than in the United States.
So at the moment, it seems fairly clear that electric vehicles aren't as clean as they could be, or clean as some claim them to be. Yes, the potential is there, but at the moment they are not the panacea some claim they are, they are considerably more expensive and they don't have the range to match an ICE vehicle. When they match an ICE vehicle, I'll consider one. But it won't be because someone tries to bully me into it.
Good to see that you resorted to insults again. Obviously you don't consider the concerns documented here as genuine.
