The all things EV chat thread

PhilTheFragger said:
Well it was car of the year ?
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Lol didn't even notice tbh

Looked at the price .. saw the range and size of car now thought that will do for what I need

The tank can hold everything else

Shame the wife isn't as impressed with my impulsive nature ?
 
Dibby said:
So effectively mandated against any improvements to ICE, as their is no incentive to come up with some fantastic tech that cleans exhaust emissions if the engines will be illegal anyway.
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There are also emissions regulations that are getting ever more stringent. So yes, manufacturers will still have to continue to improve ICE. Not producing exhaust emissions in the first place has go to be easier than developing a completely new, and probably quite expensive technology to clean emissions.
 
Our second car will definitely be electric once my ageing fiesta needs replacing. Even factoring in 20% battery capacity loss over 10 years, range will never be a problem. I can't ever forsee needing to charge it away from home.

We live close to Manchester City centre and I only commute 10 miles round trip (if I ever get back to the office). The rest of the time the car is used for dropping my daughter off for nursery or general errands. I don't think it it ever does more than 20 miles in one journey.

I agree that EVs alone are not the solution and my desire for one is selfish rather than due to the environmental factors.
 
If manufacturers are making petrol/diesel cars up to 2030 then my assumption is that petrol stations will still be fueling us for at least another 10 years after that ..... So I have another 20 years or so of normal driving .

Maybe by that point renewable energy cars might actually be decent in range and price to be a consideration, but for the foreseeable future I'll be sticking with old school.
 
adam6177 said:
If manufacturers are making petrol/diesel cars up to 2030 then my assumption is that petrol stations will still be fueling us for at least another 10 years after that ..... So I have another 20 years or so of normal driving .

Maybe by that point renewable energy cars might actually be decent in range and price to be a consideration, but for the foreseeable future I'll be sticking with old school.
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In theory petrol stations will decline in number quite quickly from 2030 due to less demand.
Somewhere in the region of 3 million fewer ICE vehicles will be kn the roads each year - 2 million sales plus 1 million scrapped.
10 years will see virtually all ICEs off the road at that rate.
After 5 or 6 years it's going to get harder to find filling stations as they'll close due to less demand and that might make people switch sooner.
You'll also find peer pressure will speed things up.
Theory is a wonderful thing though..
 
Imurg said:
In theory petrol stations will decline in number quite quickly from 2030 due to less demand.
Somewhere in the region of 3 million fewer ICE vehicles will be kn the roads each year - 2 million sales plus 1 million scrapped.
10 years will see virtually all ICEs off the road at that rate.
After 5 or 6 years it's going to get harder to find filling stations as they'll close due to less demand and that might make people switch sooner.
You'll also find peer pressure will speed things up.
Theory is a wonderful thing though..
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I'm sure supermarkets will keep there's
 
Imurg said:
In theory petrol stations will decline in number quite quickly from 2030 due to less demand.
Somewhere in the region of 3 million fewer ICE vehicles will be kn the roads each year - 2 million sales plus 1 million scrapped.
10 years will see virtually all ICEs off the road at that rate.
After 5 or 6 years it's going to get harder to find filling stations as they'll close due to less demand and that might make people switch sooner.
You'll also find peer pressure will speed things up.
Theory is a wonderful thing though..
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Honestly, I think that's a ideological view...and I don't believe the demand will decline quickly at all. UNLESS they can make serious and drastic improvements to the infrastructure and costs of rechargeable vehicles..... Which I don't believe they will.

Whatever happens, the next 10 years of motoring will be fascinating for the direction it takes.... But my belief is that battery powered cars that you charge from cables outside property is not the future and is not the answer.
 
adam6177 said:
Honestly, I think that's a ideological view...and I don't believe the demand will decline quickly at all. UNLESS they can make serious and drastic improvements to the infrastructure and costs of rechargeable vehicles..... Which I don't believe they will.

Whatever happens, the next 10 years of motoring will be fascinating for the direction it takes.... But my belief is that battery powered cars that you charge from cables outside property is not the future and is not the answer.
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You would be surprised

During proper lock down as a key worker I saw the roads dead

A lot of petrol stations closed due to lack of buisness and only re opened afters
 
adam6177 said:
Honestly, I think that's a ideological view...and I don't believe the demand will decline quickly at all. UNLESS they can make serious and drastic improvements to the infrastructure and costs of rechargeable vehicles..... Which I don't believe they will.

Whatever happens, the next 10 years of motoring will be fascinating for the direction it takes.... But my belief is that battery powered cars that you charge from cables outside property is not the future and is not the answer.
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I tend to agree...the charging on the street issue, I feel, is vastly underrated.
But if they do solve it then that scenario could happen.
 
Imurg said:
I tend to agree...the charging on the street issue, I feel, is vastly underrated.
But if they do solve it then that scenario could happen.
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Agree with you on that, but I believe the future lies with a system that recharges the vehicles propulsion by movement or breaking itself.

Depending on if you are open to the ideas of conspiracy theorists..... Allegedly the technology already exists and could be put into production, but the devastation caused to the oil/petrol industry and stock markets would be so vast that they need to phase it in over years and years to allow the world to adapt before it gets removed.

Undoubtedly the future does lay in not removing resources from the ground though. But I will miss the sound of a V6/V8 car!
 
adam6177 said:
Agree with you on that, but I believe the future lies with a system that recharges the vehicles propulsion by movement or breaking itself.

Depending on if you are open to the ideas of conspiracy theorists..... Allegedly the technology already exists and could be put into production, but the devastation caused to the oil/petrol industry and stock markets would be so vast that they need to phase it in over years and years to allow the world to adapt before it gets removed.

Undoubtedly the future does lay in not removing resources from the ground though. But I will miss the sound of a V6/V8 car!
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I think you are trying to invent a perpetual motion machine, which just cannot exist.

I am with you on V8s though. I love the noise. Luckily, I have one, and don't dismiss the howl of an on song straight 6, at 7000 rpm. It's a joy, and surprisingly, yep, got one of those too.
 
Whatever limitations there are now, we probably don’t have them in 15 years time.

When I started at university about 25 years ago our inorganic chemistry professor told us that the production of a solar cell takes more energy than the cell will deliver in its lifetime. But they kept researching (not his group, they in general) and now people run their homes with with them. Batteries are following.
 
larmen said:
Whatever limitations there are now, we probably don’t have them in 15 years time.


When I started at university about 25 years ago our inorganic chemistry professor told us that the production of a solar cell takes more energy than the cell will deliver in its lifetime. But they kept researching (not his group, they in general) and now people run their homes with with them. Batteries are following.
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I love the idea of solar panels on roof. Battery to store the energy and then charge the car with it
 
murphthemog said:
At work I have assessed numerous solar powered security lights. They don't work. Fine in the Mediterranean, rubbish here. If a small solar panel on a light won't charge a small battery, a big one on a roof has zero chance of charging a car. Ever. Not going to happen.
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They charge the battery to top up car later

It's being used now by many people. It works.
 
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