Swango1980
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Why so easily offended? I didn't name call or swear, I genuinely find it laughable, so that is the word I used. Had I said I find it funny, bizarre, remarkable, etc have been a more acceptable word to use?
Submitting scores on a Captain's Away Day
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Leftitshort
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Then post 115 is valid
Swango1980
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I shall be writing to my Committee to ask if they can make many more competitions "non-qualifiers". Despite being in the minority, it has now become clear that club golfers have much more fun if they don't need to return a score for handicap. Apparently they can drink loads as well (who is actually driving to this Captain's Away Day?). And it means really low handicappers can play without fear of losing a good score and getting a handicap increase.
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I shall be writing to my Committee to ask if they can make many more competitions "non-qualifiers". Despite being in the minority, it has now become clear that club golfers have much more fun if they don't need to return a score for handicap. Apparently they can drink loads as well (who is actually driving to this Captain's Away Day?). And it means really low handicappers can play without fear of losing a good score and getting a handicap increase.
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Car share!
I think its being over thought though.
I too would just go with the flow and submit my card if everyone was, but my preference would be to have some beers. I could not deem myself as "trying to make the best possible score" after a couple and therefore also not following the rules of handicapping...
RichA
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You're being as binary as the OP. There's a whole spectrum between anarchic fun and a ruined day of jobsworth unnecessary rule following.I shall be writing to my Committee to ask if they can make many more competitions "non-qualifiers". Despite being in the minority, it has now become clear that club golfers have much more fun if they don't need to return a score for handicap. Apparently they can drink loads as well (who is actually driving to this Captain's Away Day?). And it means really low handicappers can play without fear of losing a good score and getting a handicap increase.
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I suspect the majority who voted no are largely in the "Don't really care but were invited to express a preference" camp.
Leftitshort
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That’s not the point thought is it. Also an issue on here with points being deliberately misconstrued.I shall be writing to my Committee to ask if they can make many more competitions "non-qualifiers". Despite being in the minority, it has now become clear that club golfers have much more fun if they don't need to return a score for handicap. Apparently they can drink loads as well (who is actually driving to this Captain's Away Day?). And it means really low handicappers can play without fear of losing a good score and getting a handicap increase.
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There are enough qualifiers, why add more?
If the infamous WhatsApp group have an away day, should they make it a qualifier? Should HFH be a qualifier? It meets the criteria.
I don’t understand the fixation with your index.
Swango1980
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I think I agree with you. However, I'm only going by the arguments dead against not putting cards in. They are making Captain's Away Day sound like some sort of drunken orgy, where it would be ridiculous to be expected to put in scores as most golfers would be legless by the back 9, and getting up to all sorts of filthy and fun antics that reduce their golfing ability.
I've been to loads of such events, run by many different people and different clubs over the last 15 years. They have always been great fun, but I've never got a hint that everyone playing isn't trying to play well. Often the ones having the least fun are those that simply played badly that day. So, I'm not seeing why golfers would turn up on such a day and not at least try to play well. I've also never seen anyone drunk on the course, not sure I've seen anyone drinking on the course to be honest. Plenty of drink afterwards.
Swango1980
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How do you know there are enough qualifiers in the OP???
But, even if there were, there are loads of players that can only play a limited amount of qualifiers, but will try and make themselves available for the Captains Away Day or a Charity Day. So, it seems like a good idea for it to be used for handicap, to give those sorts of golfers a chance to get another score in?
I don't have a fixation with Index, I'm simply saying that it is a good idea for those rounds to count for a players Index, as per the Rules. It seems that those that are dead against having these scores entered are the ones with a real fixation on their Index. If they didn't, they really wouldn't care at all.
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With all the statements you have made on here calling people cheats is prob right at the bottom
It is very much binary for the handicap police - it’s one way or no way
It’s why most prefer to use common sense and treat people like adults
Most of the people I know when they go on society days or charity days etc 9/10 they will put a card in through their own choice - just as loads of us did for H4H
That’s the good thing -it gives people the choice , they don’t need to be dictated to by people when going on what’s essentially a fun golf day out , if people want to put a card in then it’s their choice
Calling people cheats etc just shows how some are unable to think for themselves and I suspect for them are more fans of the rules than the sport.
Some of them need to understand why most of us play this game
Swango1980
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Yeah, so when Big Dave playing off 20 shoots 45 points and wins Captain's Away Day, everyone is delighted for him, as they're all having great fun and the drinks are flowing.
When they then all turn up to play the Monthly Medal the next day, Big Dave is still off 20. Now that the golfers are not in "fun mode", there is plenty of back chat like "Big Dave shot 45 points yesterday, and he is still blooming playing off 20 today, what a joke. Bandit"
My belief is, that if Big Dave shoots 45 points and gets cut from 20 to 18 or 19, everyone will still have an equal amount of fun on Captain's Away Day. And they will also all be highly satisfied the following day when Big Dave is playing of an updated handicap. Sounds like everyone is a winner.
But, you seem to be very selective in what rules you go along with. I've seen you make some very harsh assessments of people / organizations as soon as they don't follow the rules. On another thread, I think you were very clear about a rule being broken about practicing on the course before a round, even though many used "common sense" and felt it was one that shouldn't even really be punished as it is likely to make no material difference. But, at the end of the day, the rules are the rules (and I can't argue with that). But it seems like this argument is only worth being made if it suits your own opinion.
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Ta dah!! Non qualifying!
Ta dah!! Non qualifying!
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RichA
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I can only speak from my own perspective. Assuming that the away day is at a nice course that I wouldn't normally get to play (I wouldn't be going if it wasn't), even in a competition for cash I'm not going to play solid, sensible, attritional golf; I'm going to look to make memories.
I could probably grind my way around The Belfry to handicap, on a good day, playing sensibly. In reality, every time I'm in the rough needing a 190 yard carry to hit the green I'm going to roll the dice for the 1 in 10 chance of pulling it off.
By the time the next club comp comes around and my handicap has given me an extra shot or 3, people will look at my EG record and whisper, "Bandit."
We're all different. I only record rounds when I'm taking it seriously which, these days, is rare.
Leftitshort
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So the issue is with people not having the chance to play enough qualifiers? That’s just silly. I can play c100 qualifiers a year if I wanted to, not including opens. If you can’t play in at least 30 there is something wrong
The issue you have is with the WHS, it’s a silly system, not fit for purpose.
I’m dead against this type of day being a prescribed qualifer, according to your logic I’m dead against having my scores entered but I played over 30 qualifiers last year. That’s typical for those I play with
Swango1980
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I'm not having a go, and I'm genuinely enjoying the debate. But you've just given me another top line in terms of making excuses not to submit a score. "I'm going to look to make memories" . I think that tops my list so far
Before WHS, my mindset was definitely that of only submitting comp scores for handicap. I was handicap sec at my club, and maybe only had 4 or 5 supplementary scores a week, and these were from golfers who never played comps, so used it as a way to keep handicap up to date. So, I understand the mentality of not putting scores in for non competitions, as that is how I felt at one time. I'd make all the same arguments, mentality is different in comps than it is non-comps. But, it works differently for different golfers, some better in comps, some worse in comps.
When WHS came in, I started to submit GP scores. I probably did it more to test the howdidido and MyEG Apps, so I could identify bugs and inform members who also used them, rather than because I thought submitting GP scores was a good idea. However, as I continued to do it, I started to really like the idea, and enjoyed the fact that each round had an impact, and that my handicap would be as up to date as I can get it. My mentality and emotions might be different in certain events, but I'm still ultimately always trying to do well. I might not take GP rounds so seriously, but I've still shot many incredibly good GP scores. In fact, my best rounds and worst rounds are probably all GP scores, and ultimately including them makes no major difference to what my handicap would be.
So, although I now find people making excuses about not submitting scores "laughable", I too had that mindset several years ago. So, looking back, I find my view on that specific point at the time "laughable" as well. Hence, I'm not trying to be nasty to those with a different view, just saying what I think of that view now, even though I probably held it previously. I also feel like more and more golfers are slowly coming round to the idea of submitting scores, but it obviously takes a lot of time for many golfers to adapt to the idea of "change". Whereas it was accelerated for me, more out of necessity really.
Leftitshort
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Can’t reply to this essay! 
I can revise my position slightly. I’ve no issue if you want to do it but it does slow down pace of play if the rest of us are playing social golf.
We went away in early feb. Played over a measured course some put egu cards in. I didn’t, it was a bog and borderline unplayable, I’ve played links courses on away days in 40mph winds.
With no css or whatever. It’s called now, where is my motivation for putting those cards in?
I can revise my position slightly. I’ve no issue if you want to do it but it does slow down pace of play if the rest of us are playing social golf.
We went away in early feb. Played over a measured course some put egu cards in. I didn’t, it was a bog and borderline unplayable, I’ve played links courses on away days in 40mph winds.
With no css or whatever. It’s called now, where is my motivation for putting those cards in?
Swango1980
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Wow. Talk about making a huge assumption based on your own ability to play a lot of golf.
I play every Saturday and Sunday, and after work a lot midweek if I can. I play every comp available to me, which consisted of 19 qualifiers last year. Given that the course is closed to qualifiers from November to March (and actually some October comps were non qualifiers due to weather), you might only be leaving yourself with a limited amount of weeks in the year to have qualifiers (after all, only 52 weeks in the year)
So, I don't know how there is "something wrong" if you can't play in at least 30 qualifiers a year. That is a ridiculous assumption. If you are lucky enough to have a course that is open all year, or you can play a lot of midweek golf, then fair enough. It can be done. It would mean, for example, I could also play in the Tuesday and Thursday fiddles which are qualifiers (although I bet some people would argue against them being qualifiers as they should just be a bit of fun, and not official club comps).
I know plenty of golfers with wives, kids, work and other hobbies that mean they can often only play once or twice a month at the weekend, and if there is no competition that day, then they just have to play with a mate. They'd struggle to play 30 qualifiers in a decade, let alone a year.
Swango1980
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No it doesn't. I often put all my scores in during social golf, and I'm still often one of the quicker groups.Can’t reply to this essay!
I can revise my position slightly. I’ve no issue if you want to do it but it does slow down pace of play if the rest of us are playing social golf.
We went away in early feb. Played over a measured course some put egu cards in. I didn’t, it was a bog and borderline unplayable, I’ve played links courses on away days in 40mph winds.
With no css or whatever. It’s called now, where is my motivation for putting those cards in?
Besides, the OP stated that they were playing full rules of golf, no gimmes. So, I'm not sure why putting a car in to document your score will suddenly result in slow play?
There would be a PCC if enough people put in their score though, that is how it works now.
Leftitshort
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If they play with a mate, they can put a card in on the egu app
. Every round over a measured course should count towards handicap apparently 
. Every round over a measured course should count towards handicap apparently Leftitshort
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The pcc doesn’t work. It’s only ever kicked in on opens I’ve played. It’s a broke system
moogie
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Oh dear I'm in a real quandary now.
I've organised a trip away with a few mates last week in March to East lothian area.
I've even had the stupidness to take money off them for the sweeps kitty.
Now I'm guessing as it's 'organised', I've now got to tell all the lads they've got to put their scores into the EG app??
Or do I just keep their cards and give them to the relevant handicap secretary once we've returned home??
I feel bad now for 'organising' a lads away golf trip to play new courses
I only had good intentions when I did this
I've organised a trip away with a few mates last week in March to East lothian area.
I've even had the stupidness to take money off them for the sweeps kitty.
Now I'm guessing as it's 'organised', I've now got to tell all the lads they've got to put their scores into the EG app??
Or do I just keep their cards and give them to the relevant handicap secretary once we've returned home??
I feel bad now for 'organising' a lads away golf trip to play new courses
I only had good intentions when I did this
