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Submitting scores on a Captain's Away Day

Should I have to?

  • YES

    Votes: 17 25.8%
  • NO

    Votes: 49 74.2%

  • Total voters
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If people couldn't debate their views, why have a forum? Just create a poll and turn comments off.
That would actually suit me down to the ground.
Debate is one thing. "I am finding it almost laughable..." is something else.
I'm unwatching another thread now.
 

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As the vote is currently 25:9 I think the forum has spoken on said poll.
It appears others feel the need to tell that majority they are wrong.
The issue is, when a personal choice becomes prescriptive. I played on over 30 qualifiers last year, opens and comps at my home course, + 5 or so general play rounds. I wouldn’t go on an away day/weekend where I was told to hand in the card for handicap purposes. It’s not about grinding out for pars, it should be more social.
If I chose to, I can on the egu app
 

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The issue is, when a personal choice becomes prescriptive. I played on over 30 qualifiers last year, opens and comps at my home course, + 5 or so general play rounds. I wouldn’t go on an away day/weekend where I was told to hand in the card for handicap purposes. It’s not about grinding out for pars, it should be more social.
Last year’s capt’n told us he wanted his away day to be a proper comp’ with scores reported. Those who went did so knowing this. So we treated it as a proper comp’. That is fine by me as we had the chance to not go if we didn’t want to.
We played Copt Heath, lovely course (especially if you like bunkers) & I won best gross.
 

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Last year’s capt’n told us he wanted his away day to be a proper comp’ with scores reported. Those who went did so knowing this. So we treated it as a proper comp’. That is fine by me as we had the chance to not go if we didn’t want to.
We played Copt Heath, lovely course (especially if you like bunkers) & I won best gross.
Congrats. I went on one. We went abroad. It was a mixed demographic. Didn’t really work as most were proper boring!! No pars were ground! But a few beers were drunk
 
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Last year’s capt’n told us he wanted his away day to be a proper comp’ with scores reported. Those who went did so knowing this. So we treated it as a proper comp’. That is fine by me as we had the chance to not go if we didn’t want to.
We played Copt Heath, lovely course (especially if you like bunkers) & I won best gross.
More importantly, what is a gokfer?
 
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Well, we've learned one thing for certain. That there are folk happy to cheat by ignoring requirements & content to play off a false h/cap. WHS can only do its best as in the end, it's up to players' honesty & it's clear that that is sadly lacking.
Cheating? Oh grow up. Guys go on a boozy weekend and submit a few 20 point cards and get a falsely high handicap. That's when it becomes cheating.
 

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The format is Singles Stableford on a Q-course in Summer with money prizes & no gimmies.
Captain describes it as a 'fun day' for everyone to enjoy themselves.
It satisfies all the requirements for an 'acceptable score' so H/cap Sec expects all to be returned.
QUESTION? Should you have to?

Bottom line is that someone (not me) has has taken the trouble to organize an event, if I want to play in it then I'll go along with whatever the organizer says

I'm in a nomadic club and haven't missed a monthly meet in years. Latest one was last weekend and I didn't like one aspect of the event, guess what... I didn't go & played elsewhere instead. No hard feeling, no drama, no strop, no debate & I'll be at the next one

Would it bother me if 5% of my active handicap history included a particular event, probably not but it might for some. If it does then don't rsvp
 

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Well, we've learned one thing for certain. That there are folk happy to cheat by ignoring requirements & content to play off a false h/cap. WHS can only do its best as in the end, it's up to players' honesty & it's clear that that is sadly lacking.
So everyone who disagrees with your take on submission of cards in an unofficial comp playing to the rules of golf on a "fun" away day is a cheat. Sounds like the golf taliban.
 

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Well, we've learned one thing for certain. That there are folk happy to cheat by ignoring requirements & content to play off a false h/cap. WHS can only do its best as in the end, it's up to players' honesty & it's clear that that is sadly lacking.
Are you seriously saying that people who don’t want to put a card in on an away day are cheats?

A ridiculous statement.
 

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Well, we've learned one thing for certain. That there are folk happy to cheat by ignoring requirements & content to play off a false h/cap. WHS can only do its best as in the end, it's up to players' honesty & it's clear that that is sadly lacking.
There are ample chances to play in qualifiers. Why construct another? If I play 30+ qualifiers a year inc opens on away courses and I’d look alternative golf away from single strokeplay, it makes my handicap false?

Do you mark a card every time you peg it up?
 

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Why did the captain want you to hand the cards in?
Because it gave everyone a chance to update their handicap, and if anyone played really well, it would be reflected with a deserved cut. And everyone was very much up for that.

But maybe people are made differently in this neck of the woods, and don't get as stressed out about such things as others seem to?
 

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As the vote is currently 25:9 I think the forum has spoken on said poll.
It appears others feel the need to tell that majority they are wrong.
No one is saying anyone is wrong. It is expressing an opinion, so every single person is 100% right in expressing their own opinion, unless they are lying.

Personally, I'm just expressing my surprise that so many people can' have fun if their score goes to handicap. It is absurd for something like that to ruin your day. And on flip side, if a high handicapper won the big cash prize with an unbeatable score, it would personally leave a sour taste in my mouth if that score didn't go on their record. Especially if I came second with a good score of my own, and I chose to submit my own score.
 

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I’d also question if the captain was a sociopath making his a away day a qualifier
To be clear, neither the captain nor anyone else has the authority to designate a competition as a 'qualifier' or 'non-qualifier' (especially since these concepts are obsolete).

By choosing individual stroke play on a measured & rated course and playing by the rules of golf, scores are acceptable for handicapping; and because it's (obviously) an organised competition, such scores should be submitted - and it's the players responsibility to do so.
 

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Last year’s capt’n told us he wanted his away day to be a proper comp’ with scores reported. Those who went did so knowing this. So we treated it as a proper comp’. That is fine by me as we had the chance to not go if we didn’t want to.
We played Copt Heath, lovely course (especially if you like bunkers) & I won best gross
Was it fun?
 

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To be clear, neither the captain nor anyone else has the authority to designate a competition as a 'qualifier' or 'non-qualifier' (especially since these concepts are obsolete).

By choosing individual stroke play on a measured & rated course and playing by the rules of golf, scores are acceptable for handicapping; and because it's (obviously) an organised competition, such scores should be submitted - and it's the players responsibility to do so.
But, what we have learned in this thread is that, despite golfers generally boasting they have loads of integrity, that integrity vanishes (for the majority going by the poll) when it comes to the Rules of Handicapping. They'll just pick and choose what rules they follow, and come up with strange excuses as to why they'll ignore others.

After all, the Rules of Golf are sacred. The Rules of Handicapping, who cares?
 
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