Submitting scores on a Captain's Away Day

[IanM]

There's an awful lot of deference to "what captain says" on here, when it's a position that holds no authority on rules matters.

Point taken... but, genuinely, if he, I or anyone invites some folks away for a game, a what point does that become a formal comp?

20p skins? £1 skins, Stableford loser buys beers etc etc etc etc

 

[Backsticks]

Point taken... but, genuinely, if he, I or anyone invites some folks away for a game, a what point does that become a formal comp?

Never, unless it is under the control of the competition committee of an affiliated club.

 

[IanM]

Never, unless it is under the control of the competition committee of an affiliated club.

Our Seniors have a roll up on Mondays, always non qualifying. They hold a qualifying Stableford every Wednesday.

Same blokes, same course and format.

Are they being naughty?

 

[Backsticks]

Our Seniors have a roll up on Mondays, always non qualifying. They hold a qualifying Stableford every Wednesday.

Same blokes, same course and format.

Are they being naughty?

Probably. Seniors competitions are a Pandora's boxed best not opened.

 

[Singlefiguregokfer]

Point taken... but, genuinely, if he, I or anyone invites some folks away for a game, a what point does that become a formal comp?

20p skins? £1 skins, Stableford loser buys beers etc etc etc etc

Competition organiser decides the rules. If they don’t fit handicap rules it isn’t qualifying

 

[Swango1980]

Our Seniors have a roll up on Mondays, always non qualifying. They hold a qualifying Stableford every Wednesday.

Same blokes, same course and format.

Are they being naughty?

In my experience, it is the Seniors that are the first to complain about someone else's handicap, and demand it is cut by the handicap sec. All because one chap wins a couple of roll ups, while they struggle to beat 35 points because they've not put in many cards, and still think they can play off 9.

So yeah, if they actually just stuck their cards in, saves everyone a lot of grief

 

[Slab]

Organised comp, qualifying format, played to RoG, if a CH/PH is written on your card you should expect it to count towards your handicap
Organised comp, qualifying format, not played to RoG, if a CH/PH is written on your card you should not expect it to count towards your handicap
Organised comp, non-qualifying format, played to RoG, if a CH/PH is written on your card you should not expect it to count towards your handicap

 

[Backsticks]

I'm not sure I'm following you.

You 1st option is certainly no fun at all. But, that is why I suggested that the Captain could still invite you along, and you simply aren't part of the competition. That shouldn't be a problem, as the golfer has already said they just want to be there for the fun of it, and they are not competitive as they play differently in such events

The 2nd option is obviously just cheating, and I've yet to hear of anyone definitively making up scores (not saying it doesn't happen, but I doubt anyone in here would do such things?)

The 3rd option wouldn't be possible if the competition was a "qualifier" and the player was signed up to that. I mean, they could refuse to submit their score, but then that requires penalty scores and opening that can of worms for the handicap sec.

The second option isnt cheating if you are putting the card in as GP for handicap only, but NOT putting it into the competition.
The third option isnt either - you are neither in the competition, nor, submitting a GP card. But just playing along for the fun.

WHS doesnt seem to like the last option. It wants cards, preferring the second option even if its not fully to the rules of golf, but is roughly indicative of your play if you had tried.

 

[Swango1980]

The second option isnt cheating if you are putting the card in as GP for handicap only, but NOT putting it into the competition.
The second option isnt either - you are neither in the competition, nor, submitting a GP card. But just playing along for the fun.

WHS doesnt seem to like the last option. It wants cards, preferring the second option even if its not fully to the rules of golf, but is roughly indicative of your play if you had tried.

I thought your second option was:

Hand in a GP score but adjust your figures to account that you are not really trying.

I interpreted that as cheating, unless I misinterpreted you. Even if this cheating is dressed up as somehow thinking it is being done for a good cause

 

[Backsticks]

I thought your second option was:

Hand in a GP score but adjust your figures to account that you are not really trying.

I interpreted that as cheating, unless I misinterpreted you. Even if this cheating is dressed up as somehow thinking it is being done for a good cause

My point is that you are not cheating in the competition - because you arent in it really.

Nor for your GP card and handicap. Infact, you would be cheating your hi if you went and played, but didnt really try because you are out for the fun and beers and not paying it attention. So by giving yourself a few 'correctives', you bring your GP back into the expected range. So it doesnt infkate your HI unfairly. This is fully embracing the US philosophy that we have adopted with WHS, and EG is encouraging us to do. I am not saying I like it. But is in the ethos of WHS.

 

[Swango1980]

My point is that you are not cheating in the competition - because you arent in it really.

Nor for your GP card and handicap. Infact, you would be cheating your hi if you went and played, but didnt really try because you are out for the fun and beers and not paying it attention. So by giving yourself a few 'correctives', you bring your GP back into the expected range. So it doesnt infkate your HI unfairly. This is fully embracing the US philosophy that we have adopted with WHS, and EG is encouraging us to do. I am not saying I like it. But is in the ethos of WHS.

This is what I don't get then.

The whole point the person is not in the competition is because they don't want to submit their score for handicap. So why would they then submit a GP score????

And, in the scenario where the person does want to be in the competition, thus automatically submitting their score, adjusting their scores before the score going on their record is cheating. It is as simple as that, I don't even think many would argue against that type of behaviour.

If that was acceptable, perhaps I'll adjust my scores anytime I feel I haven't put in my best performance and can think of some excuse. Carrying a slight injury, adjust scores. Bit hungover early on, adjust scores. Stressed out at work and carried that onto golf course, adjust scores.

I'm capable of birdieing every hole to be fair, and I often have an excuse as to why one shot and poor decision per hole cost me a bogey or worse. So I think I'll just correct everything to no worse than par. I'll be playing the English Amateur Championship in no time

 

[D-S]

This is what I don't get then.

The whole point the person is not in the competition is because they don't want to submit their score for handicap. So why would they then submit a GP score????

And, in the scenario where the person does want to be in the competition, thus automatically submitting their score, adjusting their scores before the score going on their record is cheating. It is as simple as that, I don't even think many would argue against that type of behaviour.

If that was acceptable, perhaps I'll adjust my scores anytime I feel I haven't put in my best performance and can think of some excuse. Carrying a slight injury, adjust scores. Bit hungover early on, adjust scores. Stressed out at work and carried that onto golf course, adjust scores.

I'm capable of birdieing every hole to be fair, and I often have an excuse as to why one shot and poor decision per hole cost me a bogey or worse. So I think I'll just correct everything to no worse than par. I'll be playing the English Amateur Championship in no time

Not if the only very low scores in your record are GP scores and the comp scores are much, much higher.

 

[Swango1980]

Not if the only very low scores in your record are GP scores and the comp scores are much, much higher.

O yeah. Damn, forgot England Golf had found a way to filter out those types of cheats

I suppose Backsticks is correct. There are people that will happily put in cheat scores to get a low Index. Though I think he is the first I am aware off to openly justify it

 

[SteveW86]

O yeah. Damn, forgot England Golf had found a way to filter out those types of cheats

I suppose Backsticks is correct. There are people that will happily put in cheat scores to get a low Index. Though I think he is the first I am aware off to openly justify it

Maybe that’s why Backsticks doesn’t believe in club fitting, he doesn’t need the best clubs for him if he is just going to adjust his scores anyway.

 

[Orikoru]

So - not putting a card in because you want to have a laugh and enjoy the day is cheating, but putting a card in when you're having a laugh, enjoying the day too much and likely to play poorly is also cheating. Glad we've cleared that up. So the lesson is, golf must be taken deathly seriously at all times.

 

[Swango1980]

So - not putting a card in because you want to have a laugh and enjoy the day is cheating, but putting a card in when you're having a laugh, enjoying the day too much and likely to play poorly is also cheating. Glad we've cleared that up. So the lesson is, golf must be taken deathly seriously at all times.

What have you read to think anyone said that??????

The cheating element was putting in a card and making up false scores to account for the fact you were having a fun day, not a "serious" day

 

[Beezerk]

So - not putting a card in because you want to have a laugh and enjoy the day is cheating, but putting a card in when you're having a laugh, enjoying the day too much and likely to play poorly is also cheating. Glad we've cleared that up. So the lesson is, golf must be taken deathly seriously at all times.

I’m waiting for the text from Moogie asking for my CDH number when we go on our trip

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I’m waiting for the text from Moogie asking for my CDH number when we go on our trip

No need to ask, he will already have picked it up from the EG app (I just have ). I believe the cards have already been printed, h/c allowance taken care of etc.

 

[moogie]

No need to ask, he will already have picked it up from the EG app (I just have ). I believe the cards have already been printed, h/c allowance taken care of etc.

Not only printed
But manually adjusted to tie in with his recent matchplay thrashings of poor Stu....Kraxx68

 

[Beezerk]

Not only printed
But manually adjusted to tie in with his recent matchplay thrashings of poor Stu....Kraxx68

Hey, don’t penalise me because Stu is hacking it around like a 36 handicapper