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Smart Motorways

SammmeBee said:
Lorries are the worst and should all be restricted to lane 1 only rather than pulling out and taking 7 miles to overtake someone, which causes everyone else to cram into the other lanes to try to get past them......
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And what about when there is no lorries about and lanes 1 and 2 are empty, and yet still the cars sit in lanes 3 and 4?
 
jim8flog said:
I always remember travelling home about 11 pm new years eve 2019. The M25 was absolutely empty. I was in the nearside lane and was overtaken by someone on the extreme right lane on one of the 4 lane sections. He never moved over after passing me either.
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I do that. People are idiots and I want to be as far away as possible from them.

I'll sit there if its empty, unless someone is behind me.
 
I don't often drive in lane 1. When I do, it is so badly rutted through hgv use that my car tramlines which doesn't feel safe, and probably induces wear into the car mechanicals.
 
SaintHacker said:
I wouldnt, I would be out of the car and over the barrier, even if that meant climbing over the seats and out the passenger side
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So you agree breaking down on a smart motorway is extremely dangerous. Imagine if it was a disabled or frail person, what chance would they have?
 
SocketRocket said:
So you agree breaking down on a smart motorway is extremely dangerous. Imagine if it was a disabled or frail person, what chance would they have?
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Everything is more dangerous for certain people it's impossible to make safer for all

Did you know what the protocol is for disabled customers if fire breaks out on a tube station?

They are to be escorted to behind a firedoor and told the fire service will be briefed of your location

Not safe but in emergency you can't make everything fully safe to same levels for everyone
 
pauljames87 said:
Everything is more dangerous for certain people it's impossible to make safer for all

Did you know what the protocol is for disabled customers if fire breaks out on a tube station?

They are to be escorted to behind a firedoor and told the fire service will be briefed of your location

Not safe but in emergency you can't make everything fully safe to same levels for everyone
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Yep. We are told in an evacuation situation get as many out as possible as quickly as possible, to the point of leaving a wheelchair user in the coach/bus if it puts me at risk getting them out. Harsh but it is what it is. That said we're also taught if it catches fire in a tunnel to drive it out. Yeah, ok then...??
 
pauljames87 said:
Everything is more dangerous for certain people it's impossible to make safer for all

Did you know what the protocol is for disabled customers if fire breaks out on a tube station?

They are to be escorted to behind a firedoor and told the fire service will be briefed of your location

Not safe but in emergency you can't make everything fully safe to same levels for everyone
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I think you are missing the point that the move to 'smart' motorways is making them a lot less safe than they already are...
A step, therefore, in the wrong direction... IMHO...
 
MegaSteve said:
I think you are missing the point that the move to 'smart' motorways is making them a lot less safe than they already are...
A step, therefore, in the wrong direction... IMHO...
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I'd argue it's not the smart motorways that have made them less safe

It's a combination of increased driver numbers meaning more accidents
A decrease in drivers skill levels
A lax attuide to speeding

The motorways would work perfectly fine if people did


How often do you see it.. 800 yards lane closure .. people form a nice queue to get over ... Then you get idiots bombing down until the last second
 
pauljames87 said:
I'd argue it's not the smart motorways that have made them less safe

It's a combination of increased driver numbers meaning more accidents
A decrease in drivers skill levels
A lax attuide to speeding

The motorways would work perfectly fine if people did


How often do you see it.. 800 yards lane closure .. people form a nice queue to get over ... Then you get idiots bombing down until the last second
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There's the thing... Life ain't like that... If it was we'd all be scratch golfers...
If we never dropped owt we wouldn't have the need for safety boots in the workplace...
If it don't fit the end user it's not likely to be safe...
Human nature won't change so pointless to expect it to...
 
pauljames87 said:
I'd argue it's not the smart motorways that have made them less safe

It's a combination of increased driver numbers meaning more accidents
A decrease in drivers skill levels
A lax attuide to speeding

The motorways would work perfectly fine if people did


How often do you see it.. 800 yards lane closure .. people form a nice queue to get over ... Then you get idiots bombing down until the last second
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Been brought up before, but why does anyone pull over with 800 yards to go. Everyone should go up to the point at which their lanes closes. What you describe above would be impossible.

No one is right on this. All lanes should be used til they close, and in cueing traffic, no one should be driving in a lane that will close, at an unsuitable speed.
 
I think the biggest issue in driving on a types of road is a lack of awareness.
What's your first thought when you see a red X on a motorway..?
 
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