Ryder Cup 2023 - Italy

[Swango1980]

But day after? Win and they all have chronic hangovers. Lose and they have chronic hangovers and faces like a slapped backside. 'Smile for the photo's

It isn't like many a wedding had gone ahead the day after a stag night?

At any rate, perhaps not all the Americans are binge drinkers? It doesn't seem like a team full of Lowry's. Only Cantley really needs to make sure he takes it easy, and he seems the type who would do just that. The sort of chap.who would read a book on his own stag night

 

[PJ87]

Although it is difficult to believe much coming out of the media these days. I'm only positive there is a wedding as Cantlay said so himself

All this absurd "he should want to play" "if he doesn't want to play for free he shouldnt go" tripe when wasn't he the best performing American?? So for someone who was apparently so annoyed to not be paid he turned up.. played very well. Won his points and left?

 

[Swango1980]

I thought the coverage was poor throughout, Ewan Murray has said they lost power at the end, hence the aerial shots, but to not show either Lowry or Speith’s chips on 17, anything of Bob Mac on 16 etc. was really poor. The interviews with Donald/Fleetwood were far too long, record them and play them once the golf has finished - I think we only saw Lowry’s putt on 18?

Personally, I liked the coverage. It is all about crossing the line. I personally couldn't give 2 hoots about any more of the matches once the team did the job. Lowry even said in the interview afterwards he didn't really care if he won his final hole or not once Fleetwood secured it.

It was far nicer hearing the emotional interview with Donald in the moment of victory, and hearing from Fleetwood who had all that emotion coming to the surface once his match was secured

 

[ColchesterFC]

https://x.com/shootermcgavin_/status/1708501649629614080?s=46&t=4XmJHhz4cowjgFXAlDh1dw

Have you seen what happened after that? "One more time, one more time...."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1708739779326603551

 

[AmandaJR]

All this absurd "he should want to play" "if he doesn't want to play for free he shouldnt go" tripe when wasn't he the best performing American?? So for someone who was apparently so annoyed to not be paid he turned up.. played very well. Won his points and left?

That was Homa by a mile. Which I'm pleased about as he conducted himself with class throughout.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Surely watching Scotland you expect defeat?

Managed to wake up at 10, watch the entire thing it was wonderful

Not always…

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

One thing I found very irritating with yesterday's Sky coverage. The top left corner showed the player's name, his team, the hole no, whether he was up or down, the stroke he was about to make and his opponent's name. All very good - but - as it was matchplay, why didn't it tell us the no of strokes his opponent had played? With them skipping to a different pair whilst the opponent prepared himself, I found it quite confusing at times.
I didn't see the 4ball or 4somes so have no idea how they showed the scoring.

When putting, they did show whether the player was putting for a Birdie, Eagle, Tie or a Win, and as they also showed how many shots he’d already played I think we knew just about all we needed to know other than the few occasions a player had two or more for a win.

I was very disappointed that the coverage completely abandoned Bob after Fleetwood secured dormie 2.

 

[Orikoru]

Echoing what others have said, and we mentioned it at the time yesterday - even though the victory was sealed, me and some mates I was texting were still keeping an eye on the scores as one mate in particular had backed 17-11. Then on the scores Bob definitely went from AS to 2 up in a blink of the eye but they showed precisely zero of it on TV. It was as if Sky believed everybody just walked straight off the course once the result was a foregone conclusion. Most of us still wanted to see the conclusion of the actual golf, then you can play us the weepy interviews immediately afterwards - it's not that difficult. Or in this day and age, why can't they have a split-screen scenario where we are watching and listening to the interview but the golf is still being shown on the other side of the screen?

 

[AmandaJR]

Echoing what others have said, and we mentioned it at the time yesterday - even though the victory was sealed, me and some mates I was texting were still keeping an eye on the scores as one mate in particular had backed 17-11. Then on the scores Bob definitely went from AS to 2 up in a blink of the eye but they showed precisely zero of it on TV. It was as if Sky believed everybody just walked straight off the course once the result was a foregone conclusion. Most of us still wanted to see the conclusion of the actual golf, then you can play us the weepy interviews immediately afterwards - it's not that difficult. Or in this day and age, why can't they have a split-screen scenario where we are watching and listening to the interview but the golf is still being shown on the other side of the screen?

I did think of your mate as briefly Sky showed Shane's match score as a blue Europe 1 Up indicating a win. They didn't change the match score to 17-11 but did get the individual match score incorrect. Hope he didn't see that or he'd be even more upset!

 

[Slab]

Echoing what others have said, and we mentioned it at the time yesterday - even though the victory was sealed, me and some mates I was texting were still keeping an eye on the scores as one mate in particular had backed 17-11. Then on the scores Bob definitely went from AS to 2 up in a blink of the eye but they showed precisely zero of it on TV. It was as if Sky believed everybody just walked straight off the course once the result was a foregone conclusion. Most of us still wanted to see the conclusion of the actual golf, then you can play us the weepy interviews immediately afterwards - it's not that difficult. Or in this day and age, why can't they have a split-screen scenario where we are watching and listening to the interview but the golf is still being shown on the other side of the screen?

Just for a bit of extra info,
I watched a combo of the US/worldwide stream on youtube and a digital tv stream from south africa and what each of those showed appears to exactly match what you saw on skys coverage. So it seems to have been the same primary feed from the venue rather than each territory/broadcaster choosing what to show (albeit with diff commentary teams)

 

[Lord Tyrion]

One thing I found very irritating with yesterday's Sky coverage. The top left corner showed the player's name, his team, the hole no, whether he was up or down, the stroke he was about to make and his opponent's name. All very good - but - as it was matchplay, why didn't it tell us the no of strokes his opponent had played? With them skipping to a different pair whilst the opponent prepared himself, I found it quite confusing at times.
I didn't see the 4ball or 4somes so have no idea how they showed the scoring.

I didn't understand the point of showing 'putting for a birdie'. Surely all that matters is what you do and what the other person does. How many shots each player has taken is the key, as you say. Seemed odd.

Overall though, I thought the coverage was pretty good. You can't please everyone, there will always be commentators, pundits etc that people wont like, me included.

 

[Orikoru]

I did think of your mate as briefly Sky showed Shane's match score as a blue Europe 1 Up indicating a win. They didn't change the match score to 17-11 but did get the individual match score incorrect. Hope he didn't see that or he'd be even more upset!

It was funny actually, after Shane was celebrating on the 17th my mate said he was worried about him being the one to let down his bet. I agreed, said he'd probably down a Guinness before topping his tee shot on 18. He was right to be worried as it turned out since he lost the last hole. But we didn't see any of it, so my mate was just on edge waiting for it to finish and not knowing what the heck was going on.

 

[Orikoru]

I didn't understand the point of showing 'putting for a birdie'. Surely all that matters is what you do and what the other person does. How many shots each player has taken is the key, as you say. Seemed odd.

Overall though, I thought the coverage was pretty good. You can't please everyone, there will always be commentators, pundits etc that people wont like, me included.

They were only doing that for the first guy to putt. Afterwards it became 'putting for the win' or 'putting for a half'. Well actually they said tie instead of half but we won't go into that.

 

[BrianM]

Where do the Americans go from here, from what I read and watched on TV, they never really seemed that bothered, or maybe I’m being too harsh on them.
The team spirit looked missing, individually they are tremendous players but something seems amiss.

 

[Orikoru]

Where do the Americans go from here, from what I read and watched on TV, they never really seemed that bothered, or maybe I’m being too harsh on them.
The team spirit looked missing, individually they are tremendous players but something seems amiss.

I'm sure they'll learn from this and be strong again at home next time. They seem to put less thought into their pairings than we do. They seem to just keep players together who are best mates (Cantlay/Schauffele, Spieth/Thomas, Scheffler/Burns) which is rather predictable and not necessarily the players who will play best together - particularly in foursomes which we dominated again. Our pairings are much less predictable and we seem to mix and match them a little bit more as well. Luke made no secret of the fact a lot of statistical analysis went into who would pair well together, I'm not sure if the US really approached it that way.

 

[Swango1980]

I didn't understand the point of showing 'putting for a birdie'. Surely all that matters is what you do and what the other person does. How many shots each player has taken is the key, as you say. Seemed odd.

Overall though, I thought the coverage was pretty good. You can't please everyone, there will always be commentators, pundits etc that people wont like, me included.

I mean, it was pretty easy to work out. If the putt was to win or tie the hole, it said exactly that. If it said "putting for birdie", it was obvious that the opponent still had a putt for at least the same. I was glued to the Ryder Cup all weekend, and I didn't find any of the coverage off putting. Obviously, as you say, every individual will want slightly different things, but I think they did a really good job of it. I liked the summary of all the groups scores on the bottom right, and that the correct group was highlighted when showing a player from that group.

 

[pendodave]

I'm not sure if the US really approached it that way.

I'm pretty sure you're spot on here. They seem to be a bit behind on the thinking bit. Or at least ZJ did.

On a complete tangent, being forced to go without any of the old guys seems to have been a real plus for Europe. Particularly nice for LD not to have to throw any of them under a bus. No distractions is always helpful.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

They were only doing that for the first guy to putt. Afterwards it became 'putting for the win' or 'putting for a half'. Well actually they said tie instead of half but we won't go into that.

Oh, I get that the graphic changed when the second person was up but it was still meaningless. Why not show the number of shots both players had played up to that point? That is the information we actually need to see.

 

[chico]

I didn't understand the point of showing 'putting for a birdie'. Surely all that matters is what you do and what the other person does. How many shots each player has taken is the key, as you say. Seemed odd.

Overall though, I thought the coverage was pretty good. You can't please everyone, there will always be commentators, pundits etc that people wont like, me included.

I just take it if he's putting for a birdie I know the other guy has still got a chance to match or beat him.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I just take it if he's putting for a birdie I know the other guy has still got a chance to match or beat him.

It would be good to know which one it is though, before that person come to take their shot.