Orikoru
Tour Winner
Wouldn't be an option for me, giving that I use an Odyssey #7. God knows what direction it would go off the back of that! Maybe a one-hander backwards wedge, or a flipped over hybrid.
Professional Golf 2024
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Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Out in 29 back in 39.
Grant Forrest showing just how fickle golf is.
I was once out in 39 into a links gale.
Playing great, I was licking my lips for the downwind second half.
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Grant Forrest showing just how fickle golf is.
I was once out in 39 into a links gale.
Playing great, I was licking my lips for the downwind second half.
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pokerjoke
Money List Winner
Hennie Zuel
What is she wearing
What is she wearing
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Good to see.
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Not a great ad for TM
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
So basically nothing has changed
Mel Smooth
Hacker
So basically nothing has changed
Do you ever wonder if you made bad choice predicting the rapid demise of LIV, Phil?
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
strange responseTour golf is a mess right now -
Completely split apart , viewing figures dropping all over the place and all down to greed from an unsustainable tour
Plenty of time for it all to implode in on itself
But most golf fans now have given up caring outside the majors - events pass by and most don’t really care
3 jabber
Active member
I think you are right, LIV isn't going to go away. Still bloody awful though.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
It will go at some point
Will it though? Outside of a few tournaments, tour event crowds appear to be tailing off. But I’m not sure that really matters whilst Sky is showing sponsor’s banners in their coverage.
LIV events attract a younger demographic. When sponsor’s look to where their future customers will come from, will they shift their sponsorship to LIV?
I genuinely don’t know but I wouldn’t rush to write LIV off.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
I find a lot of PGAT events completely unwatchable - but I'm a golfer and fan of the game, as you are right?
Nothing wrong with having an alternative format that appeals to different people, infact, that's healthy for golf - tour golf doesn't represent the game we all play at amateur level in many aspects at all - it has it's place but it's not a good advert for people considering giving the game a try.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Golf isn’t big enough or has a big enough audience to have two tours in the current format
The biggest market will always be the US - that’s the big corporate sponsers
Viewing figures are dropping significantly and they aren’t being picked up by LIV in any significant numbers
It’s running at huge losses that no corporate would pick up when it has small eyes on it
it’s why they want to have some sort of “merger” because they know its not good for the sport.
LIV in it’s current format will go imo - there maybe some form of team events financially backed by PIF imo
Sports don’t do well when there are splits - history tells us that
The good news is it has zero bearing on the grass roots game
Have you got the lottery numbers too? What you say is logical but is it factual?
First of all, there’s already two tours. I don’t fancy a long drawn out discussion about what you believe will happen. As per the inclusion of LIV players into the US Ryder Cup team and to the Majors you’ve already proven to be wrong.
There’s two tours for a reason. The US viewing public, and more importantly the sponsors, don’t care what happens outside of their time zone. There is little market in the US for something that is broadcast when they’re asleep. The USPGA tour is really only interested in getting the world’s best players onto their tour. They’re not interested in what time a European tour event airs on TV.
As I said, I’m not interested in debating something that we know nothing about, less so from a non-factual basis. However, what does surprise me is why didn’t LIV take on the European tour, a far easier target? No doubt they stress tested their strategy and decided they were comfortable with the possible outcomes. No doubt they had some of the world’s best business strategists working on it… if only they’d speak to people who haven’t got a clue…
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
What are we thinking? Surely this has given the DP tour a pathway to include our own LIV players including Rahm to ensure we have as strong a team as we can https://www.skysports.com/golf/news...le-for-us-ryder-cup-team-and-pga-championship
Surely it is too good an opportunity to remain stubborn
Surely it is too good an opportunity to remain stubborn
sunshine
Well-known member
Isn’t there already a thread to discuss LIV?
sunshine
Well-known member
Been working away last couple of days so I’ve only seen a few glimpses of the BMW via instagram. It seems the Wednesday pro am is becoming quite a big deal in its own right now.
Loved the view of players hitting a low running hook round the corner for their 2nd shot on 17 (big fade driver off the deck for McIntyre).
Loved the view of players hitting a low running hook round the corner for their 2nd shot on 17 (big fade driver off the deck for McIntyre).
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Some are looking inwardly at the damage being done to the PGAT, some are looking outwardly at expanding golf across the world, and the Saudis are in the latter bracket. They're not just looking to expand the men's pro game though, they're looking to expand the game from grass roots level upwards. We all know that the USA has a huge golf market, but that doesn't mean they have ownership of golf and it doesn't mean the can't be grown internationally, I mean, there's absolutely no logic that suggest that would be the case. We see the signs that the potential is there all the time, even before LIV - the growth of Asian competitors, especially in the womens game, Australia repeatedly producing world class golfers, players coming through from the sub contininent - and that's all without significant investment in the game in those areas, while as you have pointed out, the PGAT has gleaned all the best players away from those territories to monopolise a domestic tour - the framework agreement does nothing for the DPWT other than inject some cash which they need because their product has been damaged so much by the PGAT.
The PGAT has actually been damaging to golf globally, it's sickly presentation will never appeal to younger generations, and pretty much every event is broadcast in the same time window each weekend.
We all need to look at the opportunities that the growth of the game can bring, rather than worrying about whether Jordan Spieth is gonna be upset about being asked to take an 8 hour flight to play on another continent - because the game absolutely will not grow if it doesn't change.
Anyway, let's hope Rory has a good day today and doesn't lose his head over the weekend. Ba dum tish....
Whydowedoit
Hacker
If they allow LIV golfers to play in the Ryder Cup, that'll be me done with Golf.
