Professional Golf 2024

[Orikoru]

If they allow LIV golfers to play in the Ryder Cup, that'll be me done with Golf.

Maybe you missed it but they already did 12 months ago since Koepka was there.

 

[BubbaP]

So basically nothing has changed

Yes agree. I suspect the recent volume of rhetoric from the "anti bots" pushed the PGA of America to make the announcement to try to close that off, with an "as you were, nothing has changed" reminder.

 

[BubbaP]

What are we thinking? Surely this has given the DP tour a pathway to include our own LIV players including Rahm to ensure we have as strong a team as we can https://www.skysports.com/golf/news...le-for-us-ryder-cup-team-and-pga-championship

Surely it is too good an opportunity to remain stubborn

Technically the pathway is already there, but IMO the DPWT are treading a fine line in trying not to upset their PGAT partners too much, and trying to bring in money via fines.
Unfortunately IMO it just looks a mess and hypocritical when you see things like the Dunhill entry list.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Have you got the lottery numbers too? What you say is logical but is it factual?

First of all, there’s already two tours. I don’t fancy a long drawn out discussion about what you believe will happen. As per the inclusion of LIV players into the US Ryder Cup team and to the Majors you’ve already proven to be wrong.

There’s two tours for a reason. The US viewing public, and more importantly the sponsors, don’t care what happens outside of their time zone. There is little market in the US for something that is broadcast when they’re asleep. The USPGA tour is really only interested in getting the world’s best players onto their tour. They’re not interested in what time a European tour event airs on TV.

As I said, I’m not interested in debating something that we know nothing about, less so from a non-factual basis. However, what does surprise me is why didn’t LIV take on the European tour, a far easier target? No doubt they stress tested their strategy and decided they were comfortable with the possible outcomes. No doubt they had some of the world’s best business strategists working on it… if only they’d speak to people who haven’t got a clue…

There are some facts


Since a new tour arrived the people watching golf has reduced - that’s both on the sofa and in the events

The PGAT wasn’t perfect and have made my feelings known about players who left to go there pretty clear but at least we had all the top players playing in one tour

There was a gap for something different to work alongside other tours in terms of WGC expansion but that seemed to die away

If Saudi went in there and decided to throw money at ET events then I suspect things would have been different - but that didn’t happen - they went in and put events on the doorstop of the PGAT

When it comes to golf tournaments now - most appear to only care about the majors or a comp near home.

We have seen splits in other sports and it’s not gone well

Golf needs to sort it out or it will just get worse - but the players don’t mind because right now they are just getting richer

 

[HomerJSimpson]

There are some facts


Since a new tour arrived the people watching golf has reduced - that’s both on the sofa and in the events

Have you got links to back this up?

 

[Slab]

Whatever your persuasion, the PGA of America has just added LIV to its list of approved Tours (which wasn’t in place before yesterday)

In doing so they have (in my mind at least) added a modicum/layer of legitimacy to that Tour

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Whatever your persuasion, the PGA of America has just added LIV to its list of approved Tours (which wasn’t in place before yesterday)

In doing so they have (in my mind at least) added a modicum/layer of legitimacy to that Tour

Sadly I think you are right. Is this acceptance a sign that they have given up the fight and will let it co-exist without too many barriers or objections going forward. Seems to me a very small step from co-sanctioned tours

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Whatever your persuasion, the PGA of America has just added LIV to its list of approved Tours (which wasn’t in place before yesterday)

In doing so they have (in my mind at least) added a modicum/layer of legitimacy to that Tour

The PGA of America have done nothing different than they did over the last couple of years

LIV players were already ok to play in their major and also the Ryder Cup

 

[BubbaP]

Whatever your persuasion, the PGA of America has just added LIV to its list of approved Tours (which wasn’t in place before yesterday)

In doing so they have (in my mind at least) added a modicum/layer of legitimacy to that Tour

Interestingly a lot of people commenting on wider Social Media seem to share your view.
IMO they would only really be doing this if they changed their qualifying criteria. If it remains heavily based around the PGAT then no real change I would say.

 

[Slab]

The PGA of America have done nothing different than they did over the last couple of years

LIV players were already ok to play in their major and also the Ryder Cup

Maybe i'll just reword it
Prior to yesterday, LIV golf was not on the PGA of Americas' list of approved Tours... now it is

 

[Slab]

Interestingly a lot of people commenting on wider Social Media seem to share your view.
IMO they would only really be doing this if they changed their qualifying criteria. If it remains heavily based around the PGAT then no real change I would say.

Brooks was only able to play in last Ryder cup due to a 'grace period' that was in place by PGAofA, that grace period wouldn't be in place for next ryder cup, so any LIV golfers would not have been able to play for USA unless/until the PGAofA added LIV to its list of approved tours

 

[BubbaP]

Brooks was only able to play in last Ryder cup due to a 'grace period' that was in place by PGAofA, that grace period wouldn't be in place for next ryder cup, so any LIV golfers would not have been able to play for USA unless/until the PGAofA added LIV to its list of approved tours

with you. They've formalised it, so it is a tad more significant. Be interesting to see if any changes to their 2025 major qualifying.

 

[Mel Smooth]

with you. They've formalised it, so it is a tad more significant. Be interesting to see if any changes to their 2025 major qualifying.

I expect we'll start to see a qualifying criteria of 'the top x from LIV' introduced into the Majors sooner or later - the reality is, it's not in their best interests to keep some of those players out - the only organisations with an axe to grind are the PGAT and DPWT, and while they've tried to keep the Majors onside to help them fight their battle, it's becoming increasingly obvious that we are never going back to mens pro golf as it was pre 2022.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Maybe i'll just reword it
Prior to yesterday, LIV golf was not on the PGA of Americas' list of approved Tours... now it is

So nothing has changed then - LIV players were allowed in the PGA and to be able to play for the US in the Ryder Cup

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I expect we'll start to see a qualifying criteria of 'the top x from LIV' introduced into the Majors sooner or later - the reality is, it's not in their best interests to keep some of those players out - the only organisations with an axe to grind are the PGAT and DPWT, and while they've tried to keep the Majors onside to help them fight their battle, it's becoming increasingly obvious that we are never going back to mens pro golf as it was pre 2022.

Yet the R&A and USGA were very clear in regards their qualifying criteria

 

[HomerJSimpson]

So nothing has changed then - LIV players were allowed in the PGA and to be able to play for the US in the Ryder Cup

Are you being deliberately obtuse. He has spelt it out twice?

 

[Slab]

So nothing has changed then - LIV players were allowed in the PGA and to be able to play for the US in the Ryder Cup

Yes it has, see post #1671 the change was very much needed if PGAofA wanted american LIV players to be eligible to play in future RC

I get that you want to see it as 'nothing to see here' and I'm not gonna be able to change your point of view but the RC eligibility criteria has now changed for those players

 

[Arthur Wedge]

solid second round from Baldwin so far


Each year he has that tournament where he picks up a good amount of points and money to keep the card going - been a great servant for the ET

Also great to see Sullivan up there as well

Could be a great weekend ahead - hopefully the rain on Sunday doesn’t spoil it

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Isn't play currently delayed? Aaron Rai could be one to keep an eye on this weekend

 

[Slab]

Random question & I’ll use Norgaard as an example

He was 2 mins from teeing off, all warmed up and putting prep done. Lighting has stoped play for 75 mins

When it restarts, he’ll still be just 2 mins from teeing off (maybe a few more as players get ferried out to their restart holes) but it’ll be at least 90 mins since he last hit a full shot on the range
Wonder if it impacts the early part of their round