POLL: How do you feel about WHS?

[Deleted member 36483]

To you!

How many handicap golfers in the UK play in the weekend comp? I bet even the majority of golfers at your club don’t.

The vast majority of golfer do appear to have bought into WHS and are merrily getting on with enjoying playing golf. Hitting a ball with a stick into a small hole hasn’t changed.

Buying into a system that is supposed to provide a fair competitive environment and not bothering to compete?

Makes no sense.

If you believe that a handicap system isn't aimed at competitive golf then we can never agree on anything.

 

[rulie]

this thread has deteriorated into a war of wills. It's pointless to continue taking up space and time.

 

[Deleted member 36483]

this thread has deteriorated into a war of wills. It's pointless to continue taking up space and time.

I disagree, not a war, just a debate. Interesting to get other opinions and views aired openly and honestly. I certainly have learnt a lot about the kind of golfer that might appreciate WHS and I hope vice versa. If we can't have this debate on the Golf Monthly forum boards then where else?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Thread closed for a period. Accusations are being thrown around, unnecessary comments being made. Use the report function, allow us to investigate. Public accusations are not acceptable.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

How do I feel about WHS? Well...playing in the medal this coming Saturday I lose my 20th round off my record - it's a non-counter. But I then have 6 counters in a row. I'll tell you what I think as each of these drop off and I replace it with...something. I have a feeling that my HI is going to be all over the place.

 

[Swango1980]

How do I feel about WHS? Well...playing in the medal this coming Saturday I lose my 20th round off my record - it's a non-counter. But I then have 6 counters in a row. I'll tell you what I think as each of these drop off and I replace it with...something. I have a feeling that my HI is going to be all over the place.

If you are going to lose a bunch of good scores, and you are unable to match or better those (and haven't done in you last 10-15 rounds either), then I would expect your handicap to go upwards. Would suggest you are not playing as well as you were

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If you are going to lose a bunch of good scores, and you are unable to match or better those (and haven't done in you last 10-15 rounds either), then I would expect your handicap to go upwards. Would suggest you are not playing as well as you were

Well - currently 7.3, I am v soon to lose a 2.2 and a 5.4. The rest are around 7-8. Thing is...with the re-rating of the course and the fact that I have not yet played off our back tees since the re-rating - I have little idea how I'll fare as far as replacing the six I'm going to lose one at a time.

 

[RichA]

Well - currently 7.3, I am v soon to lose a 2.2 and a 5.4. The rest are around 7-8. Thing is...with the re-rating of the course and the fact that I have not yet played off our back tees since the re-rating - I have little idea how I'll fare as far as replacing the six I'm going to lose one at a time.

You might shoot the lights out over the next month. Handicap golf innit

 

[Dunesman]

I have a feeling that my HI is going to be all over the place.

A WHS index is all over the place by design. Situation normal.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

A WHS index is all over the place by design. Situation normal.

Yes - get that that is the case - but just wondering where my HI will be as six counting scores drop off to be replaced by...who knows what. I've got a feeling that, despite a number of ups and downs along the way, after I've done my next seven WHS submissions my HI will be around what it is today

 

[Orikoru]

Well - currently 7.3, I am v soon to lose a 2.2 and a 5.4. The rest are around 7-8. Thing is...with the re-rating of the course and the fact that I have not yet played off our back tees since the re-rating - I have little idea how I'll fare as far as replacing the six I'm going to lose one at a time.

Yeah, it just seems out of whack with reality to me. It simultaneously reacts too slowly, but then too much at once. I'm currently playing much better than I did the whole of last year, but I just lost two good rounds from a very brief purple patch last July, so my handicap has gone up nearly a whole shot. If I'd steadily gone up to my current handicap last year it would have made more sense - I now have the handicap I should have had back in November or so.

And as I've mentioned before, our course ratings have gone down, so whenever I'm losing a home round, I now need to better that one by at least two shots just to avoid going up.

 

[rulie]

It is a good system, adjusts handicap index regularly based on the player's (current) scores. Obviously, cannot adjust if scores are not entered routinely - peer review will often fix this if "peers" tell players that they have not entered scores as required (I'm in an area that requires all scores to be entered).
National bodies have authority to implement/adjust some things based on their nation's needs, but some national authorities are very bureaucratic, "authoritative" and over-bearing.

 

[Swango1980]

Yeah, it just seems out of whack with reality to me. It simultaneously reacts too slowly, but then too much at once. I'm currently playing much better than I did the whole of last year, but I just lost two good rounds from a very brief purple patch last July, so my handicap has gone up nearly a whole shot. If I'd steadily gone up to my current handicap last year it would have made more sense - I now have the handicap I should have had back in November or so.

And as I've mentioned before, our course ratings have gone down, so whenever I'm losing a home round, I now need to better that one by at least two shots just to avoid going up.

You say you are playing much better than you did the whole of last year. Yet you have just lost 2 rounds from last year (presumably) that are much better than you are playing now?

Contradiction?

Maybe you are just hitting another purple patch, like last year, but not quite as purple? Whereas if you sustain your form, to the point you are genuinely better than last year, your handicap will end up coming down again, to lower than it was last year.

 

[Dunesman]

some national authorities are very bureaucratic, "authoritative" and over-bearing.

England Golf feels the searing gaze of the eye of Sauron.

 

[AussieKB]

I think it depends on your handicap.

 

[Dunesman]

The Good :
- course rating and slope adapt handicaps allowances well to different courses. Probably. Whether to a better effect than CSS is unclear.

The Bad :
- it has not achieved a single world handicap system despite that being its core purpose, and despite the cost and disruption
- It is overly complex in some regions
- It has brought confusion among golfers who struggle with regional differences, confused that what runs inone region does not in another, as they are under the impression that it actually is one system around the world
- it has caused severe disruption and rancour in UK clubs at least. In Aus, and Mauritius. And we can suppose probably everywhere outside the USA whose system it fundamentally was anyway
- it has underminded footsoldier golfers confidence in the competence of their regional associations who appear as power mad drill sergeants and are peeing off members
- confusion and change still reign
- indexes are too volatile and change when there is no fundamental golf form change, making competition golf more lottery than level playing field
- while it is not quite a cheats charter although that that is a tag attached to it is a problem, it has increased and facilitated t7hose minded to handicap manioulation

So not a lot, or maybe, no, good. And quite a lot if bad. The balance is not great.

 

[AussieKB]

Do not understand how you can say it is not a WHS, just because everyone users a different version....
have you not been listening to the One Size fits all ?

 

[Dunesman]

Do not understand how you can say it is not a WHS, just because everyone users a different version....
have you not been listening to the One Size fits all ?

I suppose. Yes. It has World in the title, so it must hav.unified handicap systems everywhere as it set out to do.

 

[Mel Smooth]

I'd say my only slight grievance with it would be the course ratings - they aren't accurate in my experience, but other than that, at the level I'm playing it's not something I'm too worried about

 

[Dunesman]

Whilst it is the normal behaviour of institutions and their officials to deny failure, paint everything as a success, and defend the institution itself at the expense of its original mission, behind closed doors, the total failure in the fundamental aim of WHS of having a single global handicap system must be a source of extreme embarrassment.