What Would You Change About the WHS?

[Swango1980]

Golf is a game of integrity your notes make ne think your club lacks that.
My home club does limit winning of prizes to having produced a number of cards within a reasonable time frame as you indicate in 2. We also have for every competition potential differing rules which state all that you mention in 3. Where individuals have a reputation they are observed and have been known to no longer be members of any club, had to move to another club or have their hcp withdrawn thus they can not enter any competition anywhere. Dean Knuth who designed the WHS has a website called popeofslope many interesting articles there including how to deal with sandbaggers and slow play.

Confused how you jumped to that conclusion!?

Possibly only from Point 4? But point 4 was simply an admin point highlighting methods to help handicap committees doing the job they are officially tasked to do. Maybe only 1% of golfers lack the integrity we'd like to think 100% of golfers have, thus it is still important to find as many of that 1% if possible. And more tools might make that job easier.

 

[IanM]

I'd change people telling other people that their perception is wrong.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Are you and RichA the same person?

I don’t think so.

The same could be asked of you and the Buddha or club champ though.

 

[rulefan]

WHS is wonderful and Dean Knuth is to be thanked for it's design,

Dean Knuth did not design the WHS. He actually created both the USGA Course Rating System in 1976 and later the Slope Rating System 1987.

 

[IanMac]

I don’t think so.

The same could be asked of you and the Buddha or club champ though.

Pretty knowledgeable of the goings on for someone who's posted only 8 messages.

 

[Swango1980]

Pretty knowledgeable of the goings on for someone who's posted only 8 messages.

User name is a bit fishy as well.....

 

[IanMac]

User name is a bit fishy as well.....

Wouldn't it be a poor show to bring in your alter ego to back you up on a forum? Can't believe anyone would do that. However some of the posts are quite advanced for a novice to this forum, double post reference for example.

 

[clubchamp98]

Wouldn't it be a poor show to bring in your alter ego to back you up on a forum? Can't believe anyone would do that. However some of the posts are quite advanced for a novice to this forum, double post reference for example.

That would be as bad as going to another club to bolster your handicap.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Pretty knowledgeable of the goings on for someone who's posted only 8 messages.

I can read.

 

[RichA]

Wouldn't it be a poor show to bring in your alter ego to back you up on a forum? Can't believe anyone would do that. However some of the posts are quite advanced for a novice to this forum, double post reference for example.

Ha. Are you saying that your earlier comment about WHSDude being me was serious?
Any mods able to use your powers to check this out please, just in case he really is me? I'd like to know.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Ha. Are you saying that your earlier comment about WHSDude being me was serious?
Any mods able to use your powers to check this out please, just in case he really is me? I'd like to know.

#metoo

 

[sunshine]

Golf is a game of integrity

Not according to some of the posters on here

 

[sunshine]

Changes needed to WHS:
1. You should get cut a shot if you buy a new driver, because it is obviously going to improve your game overnight. 2 shot cut if you've been fitted.
2. If you miss a putt within gimme range, it should be deemed as holed for the purposes of handicap calculation, because you normally hole them.
3. If you carve your tee shot out of bounds in a medal and have to play 3 off the tee, the first tee shot should be discounted as a mulligan for handicap purposes, because that's what you would do in your midweek GP score with your mate.
4. If your shirt isn't tucked in you should get cut at least 2 shots, because it enables you to swing more freely so is an unfair advantage over those who tuck their shirt in.
5. The calculation needs to be made more complicated, so people aren't able to work out their index or PCC on their own. It needs to be shrouded in secrecy.

 

[Banchory Buddha]

How about: your handicap is set at January 1st based on the previous 12 months of play (best 8 scores in that previous year) - then you can track improvement or deterioration over the course of a year, but your actual handicap only changes as of the next Jan 1st.

So, let's say I start the year at 18.3 - play really great all year, and in the 'hcp tracking app' I see that as of next year, I'll be a hcp 15.2. But, during the year everything I play is off 18.3. That way, I'm competing to a set level, but only taking my 'profit' at the year's end.

Would that help? I'm still a bit in the dark as to why the WHS is terrible.

Way to make a bad system even worse
.
So basically you'd allow a shark to hoover up every trophy all year as he's improving and just making a mockery of every competition

Sorry mate, just terrible

Why is WHS terrible? It's given high handicappers even more shots than UHS, and low handicappers less, handicaps come down too slowly, and up way too quickly, and reflect current form rather than ongoing underlying ability, which leads to inaccurate handicaps

 

[Banchory Buddha]

I don’t think so.

The same could be asked of you and the Buddha or club champ though.

No it couldn't. One is from Ireland, one England and one Scotland, and long term members. Meanwhile you've shown up with a very specific user name, just to pollute WHS topics and post identical views to your doppelganger

 

[Crazyface]

If you are worse than a buffer score, you go up 0.1.

If you beat your handicap you drop a % for each shot.

Oh, hang on!

This! LOL

 

[Klimski]

Have now personally experienced why WHS can be awful. I played my best round this year, beating my course handicap by two full shots on 9 holes. And went up a full point in WHS. No idea. In the 'olden days' I would have improved my hcp by 0.5 pts. So I close the year at 19.3...grumble

 

[Klimski]

Way to make a bad system even worse
.
So basically you'd allow a shark to hoover up every trophy all year as he's improving and just making a mockery of every competition

Sorry mate, just terrible

Why is WHS terrible? It's given high handicappers even more shots than UHS, and low handicappers less, handicaps come down too slowly, and up way too quickly, and reflect current form rather than ongoing underlying ability, which leads to inaccurate handicaps

Yeah, I see how that wouldn't work. Because, a shark could always tank any handicap gains towards the end of the year to ensure that their hcp is artificially high in the next year.

 

[OnTour]

I'm a fan of the best 8 cards in a year lot being dq'd lately in pairs comps I've played for lack of real cards on the system.

 

[Swango1980]

Have now personally experienced why WHS can be awful. I played my best round this year, beating my course handicap by two full shots on 9 holes. And went up a full point in WHS. No idea. In the 'olden days' I would have improved my hcp by 0.5 pts. So I close the year at 19.3...grumble

I'm guessing your 21st oldest score was even better.

Presumably you never complained about all the times you played shocking, and your handicap didn't go up?

Yes, the change of handicap, or lack of, in WHS often makes no sense when you are focusing on you latest individual score. But, over the longer term of multiple results, your handicap probably balances out. Sometimes you don't get a chop after a good score, and many times you don't get an increase when you have a stinker.