Old Skier
Tour Winner
With you here. Most of us are volunteers and I personally don't think it's going to extend my time by to much. As a volunteer I can always chuck it in and let someone else take over.
With you here. Most of us are volunteers and I personally don't think it's going to extend my time by to much. As a volunteer I can always chuck it in and let someone else take over.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Completely agree.
It's in line with a huge current of opinion voiced here, and in bars everywhere, regarding the alleged performance of a number of players.
Our handicap committee already tries to ensure that they have relevant facts ie theirs effort taking place already. This simply brings things into a little more focus and puts the onus on both the players and the club's organising such events (if anything it's these that have the biggest additional workload).
D
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Maybe it isn't too much work extra or maybe it's a bit more hassle on top of everything else but for me it's a step backwards - many companies are working hard to get everything in line to allow more stuff to be done online and all in the same place and to get clubs aligned to each other - then the EGU come along and bring manual sheets back into it all. The AR which currently takes a couple of days even when it's all online which just add more time by creating more paperwork. And what if you know players are playing in Non Q but aren't giving you the scores - do I then add more time chasing them down ?
If the EGU want clubs to send Non Q scores to clubs and players to add scores in - then update their CDH system to allow clubs to send Non Q scores - most opens are now based at clubs with IG or CS - most clubs use those systems to enter the scores - so allow those scores to be sent across the CDH. Simple as that done and dusted and automatically added to someone's playing record that can be used for AR - as opposed to going backwards and getting paper back up - but then we all know that golf at times is still stuck in the dark ages
And I'm not sure the highlighted snide comment was required was it ? What does it achieve beyond getting someone's back up - because remember all that was said was it just creates more hassle ( which can be easily avoided ) as opposed to any monumental task
Jacko_G
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Despite the obvious "extra work" I only see this as a positive step to combat "banditry".
D
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If someone is being a bandit then they just won't let the club know any of their scores from any away open - it's also only from affliated clubs so comps like TT and LTD etc don't have to comply as they are basically just big societies.
So realistically unless it's all compulsory and automated then nothing will change.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Building it into the current software making it automatically downloadable would be the way forward but as clubs don't have to automatically accept away qualifying scores even that won't solve the issue.
What I find strange is that this has just come from CONGU now when normally you are given a much longer heads up on future changes.
What I find strange is that this has just come from CONGU now when normally you are given a much longer heads up on future changes.
Jacko_G
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In Scotland we all have our unique identifier (CDH) which should automatically notify your home club of any competition you play in plus CSS etc.
Does England not operate a similar system? Not to difficult to adapt it to show that Bill Smith and Adam Smith played in a BB open and shot a combined 59???
D
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That only happens for any Qualfiying competitions At the moment
This is about notifying your home club of any Away non q scores you have got during any opens - AM , 4BBB etc
It shouldn't be difficult to adapt the system to upload those via the CDH
But it seems Congu and EGU would prefer to take a step back and first ask the Open Comp courses to manually fill in the top five on a paper form then send those all to the relevant clubs and they want to ask the players to let the home clubs know - none of it is automated so can see clubs and players just not bother with the hassle.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
As this is so last minute dot com, perhaps it was to late for the software houses to introduce it as most releases for 2017 are already done.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Perhaps people are reading to much into it. It's for use at AR and not for ensuring players get cut if they play well at a BB open. In theory it's no different to a HC sec using matchplay results at the AR to decide whether a player should be cut or go up.
Jacko_G
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So you agree then that a simple software change can incorporate it.
Your pant wetting is just you being melodramatic.
D
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Eh ? Yes a simple software change can incorporate it hence why I have said that it should be an automated process but that is not what they are doing - have you missed that point ? no automated process via any software change or link, all manual and requiring action from the players and the course holding the opens
Not sure what you mean by pant wetting craw ?
Jacko_G
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Which is no different to anyone entering an away competition at present. Only difference is the host club will now need to do the same process for all competitions including BB etc.
The home club needs to act on the information sent from the host club. Hardly a mountain of paperwork.
The home club needs to act on the information sent from the host club. Hardly a mountain of paperwork.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
The problem is you are not going to get people putting all scores in. Those that want to get cut will only put in the good scores and those who want to go up will only put in the bad.
Jacko_G
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Is that not what this is designed to help do? Ensure an accurate account of a player's ability is kept and help ensure that the handicap is a more accurate reflection on ability?
D
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The automated process isn't there for the BB to be sent around - scores only get sent to clubs if they are Qualfying Scores and they go via the CDH
Right now if someone enters an away comp that is a qualifier it's is sent via the clubs system to CDH and then forwarded on to the home club
I have played in multiple BB away comps and all have gone onto the home system but they don't get sent to the CDH - the software on all the HC systems doesn't do it and the CDH doesn't look at them
For it to happen all the Handicap Programs will need to be updated to allow for non q to be sent to away clubs and also the CDH will need to be changed as well
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
How does it help reflect true ability if not all scores are returned, if everyone returned every score then fine, but they won't. Some will return all scores, some none and some the ones they think will help achieve their goal.
Jacko_G
Blackballed
Exactly, simple update to make it work efficiently. Hardly rocket science to do and would mean very little actual administration work other than the initial registration.
Now whether the CDH will incorporate that, well that is another matter altogether!
Anything that helps maintain and throws out a more accurate assessment of a player's ability can only be a good thing in my mind.
D
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It is a simple thing to do and the next natural process for clubs to do on their systems.
But what they suggest from 1st Jan won't work because it then relies on the players to give in their scores to the HC committee - how many can you see actually do that though - even though it has no affect on your HC some people will not want it to flag them for any changes during the AR
Hence why they should have waited until an automated process was viable before releasing such a change - instead of going in half baked
Jacko_G
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Haha, so in reality we're in agreement.
Have a great Christmas.
Have a great Christmas.
