Non Qualfiying Scores from Away Clubs

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Not sure if I am picking up on how a roll up can be considered a competition?

The fact that gimmies are currently in play would suggest that it is already not a competition.
 
Jacko_G said:
Not sure if I am picking up on how a roll up can be considered a competition?

The fact that gimmies are currently in play would suggest that it is already not a competition.
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Hence why they said any roll ups played of a measured course under competition conditions should be a Qualfiying comp

Gimmies means it's not being played under competition conditions
 
Liverpoolphil said:
If it's a serious roll up with a big number and they all have to putt out on a measured course for it seems decent prize fund then they are playing a qualifying comp

All they need to do to stop it being a qualifying comp is play gimmies etc or use social Handicaps etc - it's what most of the roll ups I have played in do.
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Isn't winning money dodgy ground? Amatuer status etc,
 
bobmac said:
But if they increase the amount of qualifying rounds, there would no excuse for not getting 3 cards in.
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IF

Can you really see any roll ups becoming qualifying ?

And supplementary cards aren't just for people who can't get three rounds in
 
Liverpoolphil said:
IF

Can you really see any roll ups becoming qualifying ?

And supplementary cards aren't just for people who can't get three rounds in
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Quite agree on this. The amount of clubs who still refuse Q away scores is horrendous so I think the circular from CONGU was really a more "we know what's going on" with some clubs who appear to do anything they can to reduce their number of qualifying comps.
 
bobmac said:
If it means peoples handicaps would be more accurate, then I think it should be encouraged.
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People don't just want to play Qualfiying golf - people want the balance between the two - social and comp. it's why we reduce the amount of comps because people at times just want to have a game of golf with mates without having to worry about Comp.

So I reckon roll ups will just add in gimmies if they don't already do that and then it's not a q comp
 
Old Skier said:
Unfortunately there are those who if you reduce it to 1 Q someone will come up with a sob story telling why they can't do it.
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At the moment, someone could put in 3 rubbish cards a year to keep their h/cap falsely high knowing they could hoover up the money in the roll ups with no fear of being chopped. If the new system means they can be chopped in roll ups, that's got to be good news
 
Old Skier said:
Quite agree on this. The amount of clubs who still refuse Q away scores is horrendous so I think the circular from CONGU was really a more "we know what's going on" with some clubs who appear to do anything they can to reduce their number of qualifying comps.
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What's that based on ?

Sorry but according to CDH most clubs are administering away scores regularly
 
bobmac said:
At the moment, someone could put in 3 rubbish cards a year to keep their h/cap falsely high knowing they could hoover up the money in the roll ups with no fear of being chopped. If the new system means they can be chopped in roll ups, that's got to be good news
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All the roll ups have to do, like ours, is on winning a roll up under handicap you get cut 2 shots and then get back 1 shot per week when not winning until your back to your correct handicap, anyone cleaning up with a false handicap is soon chopped down to where they should be, I'd think these roll ups would then not be qualifiers as there's a handicap book kept and not everyone is playing off their true club handicap.

They can't be chopped immediately by the club either, this new admin is for annual reviews, I suppose the head of the roll ups could offer the book to the handicap secretary for consideration to raise or lower handicaps showing players averages!
 
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Old Skier said:
On fact. Unless you do checks on those that have played in your opens you would have no idea who accepts scores and who rejects them.
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Most of the opens that are single HC qualifiers do send their scores in - how many people have you heard off that has had their HC changed after playing in an Open - every time I have played it's been accepted, on here plenty play in Away Qualfiying single comps - they all seem to have them accepted, i accept all Away scores and after speaking to CDH about Away score administration they believe most clubs do as well.

You have a few times mentioned clubs not accepting away scores but believe that to be very false - especially when it's all automated now. There is no reason for clubs to not accept the scores.
 
May be some confusion here as most opens in Scotland are handicap qual stroke play events, evey single one I've played has been.

Might also have been thought of by the powers that be to combat the usual suspects cleaning up in these national NQ comps
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Most of the opens that are single HC qualifiers do send their scores in - how many people have you heard off that has had their HC changed after playing in an Open - every time I have played it's been accepted, on here plenty play in Away Qualfiying single comps - they all seem to have them accepted, i accept all Away scores and after speaking to CDH about Away score administration they believe most clubs do as well.

You have a few times mentioned clubs not accepting away scores but believe that to be very false - especially when it's all automated now. There is no reason for clubs to not accept the scores.
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It's is not automatic. You as a club can accept or reject a score. It was one of the complaints that came up when the system was introduced. If you can show me on the CDH database were you can run a report that shows away clubs have accepted and updated a record I would be more than interested. I do manual checks on away players records that have played in our opens and I have found its certain clubs. Info has been passed to county but there is nothing that can be done about it at present.
 
Old Skier said:
It's is not automatic. You as a club can accept or reject a score. It was one of the complaints that came up when the system was introduced. If you can show me on the CDH database were you can run a report that shows away clubs have accepted and updated a record I would be more than interested. I do manual checks on away players records that have played in our opens and I have found its certain clubs. Info has been passed to county but there is nothing that can be done about it at present.
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I know how the system works - and I know that EGU are confident right now that clubs are accepting away scores - yes there maybe the odd one that is not following guidelines but it's not as you suggest "horrendous" - far from it

As I said how many on here haven't had their scores accepted by their club - can't recall anyone complaining , same on the mid Am tour and JB tour and all the other places that do open events

Also remember at the end of the day it's the player responsibility- if that away scores hasn't been accepted then he can request it and also go via county and EGU if required
 
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