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No because it's not being organised by a "Affliated" Club etc - hence why it won't affect much because things like Trilby Tour won't have to do anything
No because it's not being organised by a "Affliated" Club etc - hence why it won't affect much because things like Trilby Tour won't have to do anything
But why? Our roll ups are sociable games so why make them qualifiers all of a sudden? We have at least two qualifiers a month over the winter and far more than that per month when the season starts. Why add more simply because our group decides to hole out
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
I think many will take it quite literally and if the shoot the lights out away then they'll be looking for a cut
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
Homer as phil said its not just roll up golf. If someone turned up at our pad and cleaned up, at least there's a facility in place now to forward said result to there home club. Whether it is done or not is down to each club. But last year I was talking to our club sec. He said that he had to disqualify a team becaus they had signed there card wrong. He was quite happy because for the previous three years they had cleaned up, and would of done again.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Why not? Golf is competitive even in roll ups so why not let it count for HC.
Because, in my opinion, roll ups are social games. It's more about the banter, and a few drinks after. We already have plenty of official competitions in the calender. Why suddenly feel that your handicap is on the line every time you go out?
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Whats wrong with getting another .1 back, its not the end of the world.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Correct, and form tends to balance out anyway so take positives and look at it as more chances to get a cut
huds1475
Journeyman Pro
The ideal is about right but the execution is flawed.
Too many shades of grey.
Won't work.
Too many shades of grey.
Won't work.
bobmac
Major Champion
Don't worry, once we adopt the USGA system, everything will be sorted 
I agree, even in the opening post it states all non qualifying scores at away courses and then states 'also' in Open Comps which are then referred to later in the thread as AM AM'a, BB, Pairs etc, so that gives the impression it's not just formal club comps!
So, as I see it, if any non qualifying round is played at home or away under competition conditions, which includes roll ups if no gimmies are given, then those cards should be handed in 🤔
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In regards Roll ups at home course only - it's saying that if they are played under competition conditions then they should be as qualifying competition.
That's not rolls ups at Away courses or social meets etc
That's not rolls ups at Away courses or social meets etc
ger147
Tour Winner
The EGU specifically states all non-qualifying comps, not all non-qualifying scores, a very important distinction that wasn't called out in the OP i.e. this only applies to competitions, not social golf.
I'll stay out of the roll ups debate as we don't have any at my club so I don't have a view either way.
I think it's confusing and is as clear as mud!
So when is a round not a competition round, I'd say when gimmies are given and it's not measured or cannot for any other reason comply to competition standards, so does that mean that everything else is a competition format, or are we now saying due to the distinction between non qualifying scores & nq comps that it's only declared comps which then clearly removes roll ups as their not official, unless the club runs then.
So when is a round not a competition round, I'd say when gimmies are given and it's not measured or cannot for any other reason comply to competition standards, so does that mean that everything else is a competition format, or are we now saying due to the distinction between non qualifying scores & nq comps that it's only declared comps which then clearly removes roll ups as their not official, unless the club runs then.
ger147
Tour Winner
This is what the EGU has stated:
"From 1st January 2017 England Golf require all players to return all scores in Non
Qualifying Competition, to assist handicap committees with handicap reviews.
(Clause 4.5b/8.12)"
"Scores should be returned in all Singles, Am-Am, 4BBB and team competitions,
with the exception of Texas Scrambles and Greensome competitions."
So reading it literally, the NQ scores part has nothing to do with gimmies, measured courses etc., it's about NQ competition scores.
Here is the statement about roll-ups:
"Clubs should also be aware of regular roll-ups that take place at their club,
where players are playing off a measured course under Competition Play
Conditions. We would advise that these types of competitions should be played
as qualifiers when possible."
You may or may not agree but that all seems fairly clear to me i.e. if a roll-up is played under qualifying conditions it should be a qualifier for handicap purposes.
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What they are saying is that anytime a club runs roll ups where they use the full length course and every putts out etc then that roll up should be a qualifying Comp - so basically a Stableford anyway - I have emailed seeking clarification on that to clear up that it's not your 10-16 people roll up that you see at most courses but the fully organised ones in conjunction with the club that have a decent amount of players.
But if they are saying that it's every roll up then people will just play gimmies in theirs.
The update has two distinct situations
The roll ups at home clubs for home players -
And the Open Non Qualfiying Comps
They confused matters by putting the sentence about rolls up into the update without separating them
But if they are saying that it's every roll up then people will just play gimmies in theirs.
The update has two distinct situations
The roll ups at home clubs for home players -
And the Open Non Qualfiying Comps
They confused matters by putting the sentence about rolls up into the update without separating them
Old Skier
Tour Winner
And it is my impression on here that to many people complain that they are getting ripped off on roll ups and nothing happens to people who continue to score ridiculously good scores.
If your roll up is unofficial, no problem and take your medicine. If they are regular club events that are organized (which some sound like they are) they must, not should, be qualifiers. Them is the rules.
Sounds good to me. As for it being a lot of work... really? How many members play away in any given week, and how long does it take for a member of the HC committee to enter those scores? Making it out to be a monumental task is rubbish. Imagine going in for 30mins on, say, a Friday evening to update handicaps for any returns, and 10mins into it you'll be sat in the bar.
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Enter scores where ?
No HCs are updated - returning scores aren't added into any system on the PC , they aren't used to change someone's HC there and then
It does onto some manual register within the club that could be used for the Annual Review. A score given for any away non q can't change someone's HC
If it was an automated process where scores are reported through CDH then it would be worthwhile but even then it still doesn't tackle the comps like TT or LTD where people gain big prizes
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Fine, and it leads to a mountain work at AR time how? AR's have been getting done, or should have been, for years. I know, I've done plenty of them. How long would it take to create an excel spreadsheet and then update it every week? I genuinely can't see what all the fuss is about. People puffing up their chest with self-importance and complaining about a bit of work that amounts to very little.
