LIV Golf

[IanM]

Canter is 36, wife and kid to support. It's a "Jam today" decision.

Guaranteed money, and plenty of it, regardless.
Yes, he'll earn more if he does well on liv, but he'll earn far more for average performance on liv, than same level of performance on the US PGA.

It's not a golf decision, its a retirement plan decision.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Exactly he made the right chouce

That all depends on a players ambitions within the sport - if it doesn’t include majors and Ryder Cups etc then it’s potentially the wrong decision

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Don't follow what you are trying to say here: "Canter will earn more money regardless of performance".

Wherever people play, if you perform well you earn more than if you play poorly.

Let me rephrase then

The level of money on offer at LIV for players that don’t even perform that well is a significant amount

To earn that same level on other tours you will need to win and play well consistently

So it’s not a surprise when some pros at certain times in their career will pick the route that gives them more money and with less pressure of having to do well

 

[BubbaP]

Let me rephrase then

The level of money on offer at LIV for players that don’t even perform that well is a significant amount

To earn that same level on other tours you will need to win and play well consistently

So it’s not a surprise when some pros at certain times in their career will pick the route that gives them more money and with less pressure of having to do well

Thanks, I can follow that view.

Possibly another factor, as someone mentioned previously, is the adjustment factor. When up against US nationals and US college graduates. Looking at the nine 2024 card winners from DPWT, 6 have lost their card, and 1 has only a conditional.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Thanks, I can follow that view.

Possibly another factor, as someone mentioned previously, is the adjustment factor. When up against US nationals and US college graduates. Looking at the nine 2024 card winners from DPWT, 6 have lost their card, and 1 has only a conditional.

Yep it’s going to be tough for anyone moving across to the PGAT from any tour , it’s a big step up

Playing on LIV he will be prob have a decent shout at being mid table and staying on the tour

 

[Pin-seeker]

Canter is 36, wife and kid to support. It's a "Jam today" decision.

Guaranteed money, and plenty of it, regardless.
Yes, he'll earn more if he does well on liv, but he'll earn far more for average performance on liv, than same level of performance on the US PGA.

It's not a golf decision, its a retirement plan decision.

And people look at this decision like it’s bad

 

[IanM]

And people look at this decision like it’s bad

Indeed. It's neither good, nor bad, it's "his!"

 

[Fore Right]

Liv as a major tour with some of the world's best Golfers will get more pathways to majors as time goes by....

It's already started to happen..

 

[BubbaP]

Ed Pepp has been stirring the rumour mill a little on the fines, appeals, on when it may be heard etc.
Made me wonder, is it known how much money has gone to the DPWT for fines so far, either directly, or indirectly, from PIF?
They might be one of DPWT's biggest 'sponsors' on the quiet!

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Ed Pepp has been stirring the rumour mill a little on the fines, appeals, on when it may be heard etc.
Made me wonder, is it known how much money has gone to the DPWT for fines so far, either directly, or indirectly, from PIF?
They might be one of DPWT's biggest 'sponsors' on the quiet!

Did see something that the appeal will be held in April ?

The fines don’t seem to be a specific amount

Pennies to someone like Rahm and Hatton

Next 12 months might be a key one

Liv don’t like they are getting any top 20 or even top 50 golfers so will be the same again really and then more contracts come to an end

 

[wjemather]

Thanks, I can follow that view.

Possibly another factor, as someone mentioned previously, is the adjustment factor. When up against US nationals and US college graduates. Looking at the nine 2024 card winners from DPWT, 6 have lost their card, and 1 has only a conditional.

Yet the story of the nine players the DPWT sent over the previous season is very different.
MacIntyre and Pavon both won tournaments and made the Tour Championship; and Perez, Hisatsune, Välimäki, Fox all retained their cards. Only Björk, Olesen and Campillo lost their cards.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Yet the story of the nine players the DPWT sent over the previous season is very different.
MacIntyre and Pavon both won tournaments and made the Tour Championship; and Perez, Hisatsune, Välimäki, Fox all retained their cards. Only Björk, Olesen and Campillo lost their cards.

You'd expect that though as the top 10 arrangement had only just started. It'll be interesting to see how the guys that go over this year get on. I suspect the DPWT talent pool is going to be drained pretty quickly - and it won't be long before all the DPWT players that head over to the PGAT find themselves struggling to keep their cards.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

You'd expect that though as the top 10 arrangement had only just started. It'll be interesting to see how the guys that go over this year get on. I suspect the DPWT talent pool is going to be drained pretty quickly - and it won't be long before all the DPWT players that head over to the PGAT find themselves struggling to keep their cards.

The ET has long established pathways to allow players to progress though from other tours and of course the Challenge Tour - there will always be talent waiting to fill the spots left empty by others that either move on or who don’t keep their card

It will keep the tour nice and fresh with new exciting talent coming through

 

[wjemather]

The ET has long established pathways to allow players to progress though from other tours and of course the Challenge Tour - there will always be talent waiting to fill the spots left empty by others that either move on or who don’t keep their card

It will keep the tour nice and fresh with new exciting talent coming through

Massive difference between the players coming through replacing the bottom end of the exemption list and replacing the top. It's laughable that anyone would try and pretend otherwise, and/or that the overall strength of regular tournament fields isn't being reduced.

 

[wjemather]

You'd expect that though as the top 10 arrangement had only just started. It'll be interesting to see how the guys that go over this year get on. I suspect the DPWT talent pool is going to be drained pretty quickly - and it won't be long before all the DPWT players that head over to the PGAT find themselves struggling to keep their cards.

If that does happen, it would be a damning indictment of the strength in depth of the DPWT.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Massive difference between the players coming through replacing the bottom end of the exemption list and replacing the top. It's laughable that anyone would try and pretend otherwise, and/or that the overall strength of regular tournament fields isn't being reduced.

“Massive difference”

Really ?

Where was Penge as an example a couple years back ?

how many of those coming through and onto the PGAT have gone through the Challenge Tour or Clutch etc

Where else do you expect new young up and coming golfers to come from

You are constantly critical about actions that the ET are trying to do but always fail to come up with any better solutions

 

[wjemather]

“Massive difference”

Really ?

Where was Penge as an example a couple years back ?

how many of those coming through and onto the PGAT have gone through the Challenge Tour or Clutch etc

Where else do you expect new young up and coming golfers to come from

You are constantly critical about actions that the ET are trying to do but always fail to come up with any better solutions

Yes, there is a massive difference between the top end of the RtD and the bottom.
It's not about where the players come from but the standard of the player they are replacing, and overall, the ones coming in are lesser players than those going to the PGA Tour. Again, it's laughable that anyone would pretend otherwise.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Yes, there is a massive difference between the top end of the RtD and the bottom.
It's not about where the players come from but the standard of the player they are replacing, and overall, the ones coming in are lesser players than those going to the PGA Tour. Again, it's laughable that anyone would pretend otherwise.

Again missing the point

The top players on the ET will always move on , always have , always will , those spaces will then be filled by the next up and coming young new talent

The ET will never be at the level of the PGAT - that horse bottled over 40 years ago now when players started to move across

It’s a shame that European players abandoned the tour to chase money but as we can see that’s the way it works

Again - what’s your idea to change it ?

 

[AussieKB]

Again missing the point

The top players on the ET will always move on , always have , always will , those spaces will then be filled by the next up and coming young new talent

The ET will never be at the level of the PGAT - that horse bottled over 40 years ago now when players started to move across

It’s a shame that European players abandoned the tour to chase money but as we can see that’s the way it works

Again - what’s your idea to change it ?

I am shocked.....players chasing the money who ever would have thought ?????

 

[Mel Smooth]

The ET has long established pathways to allow players to progress though from other tours and of course the Challenge Tour - there will always be talent waiting to fill the spots left empty by others that either move on or who don’t keep their card

It will keep the tour nice and fresh with new exciting talent coming through

That wasn't my point.

It won't be long before all but 1 or 2 players who are leaving the DPWT won't be good enough to make a worthwhile impact on the PGAT - when that happens, what do you expect the PGAT to do.
Also, keeping it LIV related - you can expect there will always be some guys who will favour LIV over the PGAT option, further weakening 'the deal' for the PGAT.