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[Deleted member 29109]

You see, you're wrong again. The reason those players aren't playing on the PGA Tour is because the commisioner banned them, I've said it so many times on here I'm bored of telling you, but that's the FACT.

Apparently Monaghan is trying to protect his tour, but you've just stated it's worse for his decision. That's on him, not LIV.

And to prove the point, the DP World Tour have had to let some of those LIV players compete, and just had one of the most interesting and observed events at Wentworth in a long, long time.

It's staring you in the face what the way forward is, but you will not see it

Nope. They are not playing on the PGA Tour because they broke the rules of their membership.

Is it really that difficult to understand?

I suspect they have been misled by Mr Norman. I wouldn’t be surprised if a few of them don’t feel a bit annoyed or silly by it.

 

[Swango1980]

You see, you're wrong again. The reason those players aren't playing on the PGA Tour is because the commisioner banned them, I've said it so many times on here I'm bored of telling you, but that's the FACT.

Apparently Monaghan is trying to protect his tour, but you've just stated it's worse for his decision. That's on him, not LIV.

And to prove the point, the DP World Tour have had to let some of those LIV players compete, and just had one of the most interesting and observed events at Wentworth in a long, long time.

It's staring you in the face what the way forward is, but you will not see it.

How on earth is he wrong!? It is pure fact that if LIV didn't exist, the players he mentioned would be playing on the PGA Tour.

Then LIV came along and divided top level golf. Even if the PGA hadn't banned LIV players, the LIV players would be playing far fewer PGA events. Most of them said this themselves. Play less golf.

 

[Mel Smooth]

I am sorry Sir, but it is you who are wrong on this point. The prime mover in the sequence of events was LIV signing these golfers. No signings to a new tour, no splitting of the worlds top golfers.

Your argument is like a handbag snatcher accusing the handbag owner of being responsible for, and initiating a fight, when they refuse to yield the handbag. You are supporting such a preposterous argument as the snatcher claiming - I didnt start any fight, but they did when they didnt hand over the handbag and physically resisted.
So no. LIV started this chain of events, and cannot blame others for it not going their way, and turning messy.

As I said, you cannot see it.

LIV started the chain of events for sure, they also offered the opportunity to the tours to discuss the way forward and set up a schedule that wouldn't impact on those tours. All the fallout we now see, could have been avoided, with LIV in the picture - but Jay was having none of it.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Nope. They are not playing on the PGA Tour because they broke the rules of their membership.

Is it really that difficult to understand?

I suspect they have been misled by Mr Norman. I wouldn’t be surprised if a few of them don’t feel a bit annoyed or silly by it.

A rule which is clearly at the discretion of the commissioner.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Everything that is happening right now is because of LIV golf starting up a new tour

The players are banned from PGAT because they broke tour rules by going to LIV Tour

The players are only playing on the ET because of a temporary court ruling

The one area that is at the heart of it all is LIV Tour and Greg Norman

Now it’s personal opinion whether it’s all a good thing or bad thing but there is no doubt it’s all because of LIV

Shifting blame all over the place doesn’t change that

 

[Deleted member 1147]

A rule which is clearly at the discretion of the commissioner.

The players signed contracts. If they then breach the contract they will be punished. That’s how business the world over works.
Why are you so fixated on Monaghan?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

A rule which is clearly at the discretion of the commissioner.

Is it?
If he hadn’t punished them how would other players have reacted? After all, he works for them!

 

[Deleted member 29109]

A rule which is clearly at the discretion of the commissioner.

So they knowingly broke the rule. They were told what would happen if they did. Now it’s somebody else’s fault they can’t play on the PGAT?

 

[Mel Smooth]

So they knowingly broke the rule. They were told what would happen if they did. Now it’s somebody else’s fault they can’t play on the PGAT?

So therefore, no PGA players should be granted exemptions in the future - as happened before LIV existed?

 

[Deleted member 1418]

The players signed contracts. If they then breach the contract they will be punished. That’s how business the world over works.
Why are you so fixated on Monaghan?

Because Monaghan doesn't look after the poor caddies...........

 

[Jacko_G]

No. Its a fact, that the reasons LIV has harmed top level golf entertainment have been spelled out here.
Chief among them, the splitting of top players into two tours. That isnt an opinion. Without LIV, BdC, Smith, Reed, DJ Koepka would still be playing on the PGAT. There is no opinion in that. Its how it would have been. While the PgAT has retained the majority of the crown jewels, the loss of those handful of still top golfers has degraded the level of competition.

I'd suggest that the PGA had already harmed golf to the extent that people were willing to go to another tour.

Your opinion is one of debate. Yet the OP who is a so called professional journalist can't even be bothered to do their research and admits so on a national forum. And its rational and well spelled out.

For sure. ????

 

[Swango1980]

So therefore, no PGA players should be granted exemptions in the future - as happened before LIV existed?

Pretty absurd comment. By definition, if the PGA grants an exemption they are permitting something to happen. The fact they have to go through this process suggests it is not automatically assumed players can guarantee they will be allowed to play somewhere else, under their terms of contract.

If you were to assume the answer was always Yes, why would a player even need to ask permission to begin with?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

So therefore, no PGA players should be granted exemptions in the future - as happened before LIV existed?

Exemptions to what?
Previous exemptions were given as and when rules weren’t broken. Ie Euro tour, Asian tour, Aussie and Saffer tours.
But a tour mainly based in US does break rules.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'd suggest that the PGA had already harmed golf to the extent that people were willing to go to another tour.

Your opinion is one of debate. Yet the OP who is a so called professional journalist can't even be bothered to do their research and admits so on a national forum. And its rational and well spelled out.

For sure. ????

I would suggest that the people were willing to go to another tour because of the vast amounts of money being given to the players regardless of their performance and playing less tournaments as opposed to anything the PGAT have done or not done

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Everything that is happening right now is because of LIV golf starting up a new tour

The players are banned from PGAT because they broke tour rules by going to LIV Tour

The players are only playing on the ET because of a temporary court ruling

The one area that is at the heart of it all is LIV Tour and Greg Norman

Now it’s personal opinion whether it’s all a good thing or bad thing but there is no doubt it’s all because of LIV

Shifting blame all over the place doesn’t change that

Noted your line that its your personal opinion ?#respectthat

My opinion is
Liv did nothing wrong in starting a new tour, its a free market where a business has every right to challenge another.

PGAT doesnt own golf, their actions have also contributed to where we are now.
Had they had better dialogue early on when they held all the cards we could have easily had a PGA Tour season followed by a Liv Golf season.

They were way too confident major players wouldn't go across to Liv and that was a huge misjudgement in hindsight.

 

[Blue in Munich]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1572228587604037639

it’s pretty embarrassing tbh

Before setting up the tour then GN should have confirmed the process with the OWGR and informed the players what would be happening

Every single player joined LIV knowing that none of the events would carry ranking points.

It all seems very “Amatuerish” in regards it’s organisation

It’s the same with the players banned from PGAT - again the players should have understood the consequences

Is Greg Norman telling them lies ?

Other tours have to follow the process , the new tours that applied for points had to follow the same process - it’s there written down

Follow it and the events get ranking points - it can’t be any simpler

Please tell me that was dated April 1st?

 

[Jacko_G]

I would suggest that the people were willing to go to another tour because of the vast amounts of money being given to the players regardless of their performance and playing less tournaments as opposed to anything the PGAT have done or not done

I have no doubt money plays a part.

 

[BubbaP]

No. Its a fact, that the reasons LIV has harmed top level golf entertainment have been spelled out here.
Chief among them, the splitting of top players into two tours. That isnt an opinion. Without LIV, BdC, Smith, Reed, DJ Koepka would still be playing on the PGAT. There is no opinion in that. Its how it would have been. While the PgAT has retained the majority of the crown jewels, the loss of those handful of still top golfers has degraded the level of competition.

If you sign up to the 4 majors being the pinnacle of top level competition, where the top players meet. And that the majors will keep the top players in attendence. Then aren't all the other events essentially build up and story lines?
You used entertainment, was the PGA Tour Championship entertaining (my opinion yes), was BMW at Wentworth entertaining (my opinion yes), was the Italian open entertaining (my opinion yes), was LIV Chicago entertaining (my opinion yes).
Maybe not having all the "crown jewels" tied into the PGAT , doesn't actually bother everybody involved in golf - just a thought...
Personally am really looking forward to the 2023 majors (assuming no politics), for the extra little edge of players coming together in competition.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

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If you sign up to the 4 majors being the pinnacle of top level competition, where the top players meet. And that the majors will keep the top players in attendence. Then aren't all the other events essentially build up and story lines?
You used entertainment, was the PGA Tour Championship entertaining (my opinion yes), was BMW at Wentworth entertaining (my opinion yes), was the Italian open entertaining (my opinion yes), was LIV Chicago entertaining (my opinion yes).
Maybe not having all the "crown jewels" tied into the PGAT , doesn't actually bother everybody involved in golf - just a thought...
Personally am really looking forward to the 2023 majors (assuming no politics), for the extra little edge of players coming together in competition.

The PGA is the premier League
Dp world tour is the championship now with promotion to the premier League
The co events are cup games
Liv is la Liga

Majors will become the champions League

 

[doublebogey7]

I'd suggest that the PGA had already harmed golf to the extent that people were willing to go to another tour.

Your opinion is one of debate. Yet the OP who is a so called professional journalist can't even be bothered to do their research and admits so on a national forum. And its rational and well spelled out.

For sure. ????

There is one reason why those players went and that is simply the vast amounts of money on offer. And of course, the vast majority of players have not moved, the conclusion from that must be that the vast majority were content with the PGAT as it was. Not a single player would have moved had LIV been offering any less than 5 times the money they were getting from the PGA. As a properly commercially funded tour the PGA simply can't offer the same.