LIV Golf

[BTatHome]

Sounds to me, like nothing happens without PGA tour allowing it ... so there will never be any new tours unless they have control of them ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sounds to me, like nothing happens without PGA tour allowing it ... so there will never be any new tours unless they have control of them ?

The PGA tour have spend decades building up the sport - golf is a huge sport now because of a lot of the work they have done - do people really think they should just stand aside and let a rival tour with deep pockets take their prize assets ?

As some said what would happen if the Saudis created a new Premier League or rugby league or new tennis majors etc

LiV your can be created - the players can go and play on it - but why should they allow the players who have left to also play on their tour ?

 

[Ethan]

Sounds to me, like nothing happens without PGA tour allowing it ... so there will never be any new tours unless they have control of them ?

If players have signed contracts giving the PGA Tour the right to determine their schedules and to limit their freedom to play on other Tours, then they shouldn't be surprised when the PGA Tour determines their schedules or limits their freedom to play on other Tours.

 

[AussieKB]

Have just got home from a week's holiday, no internet at all.......
was wonderful not to read the same old crap being regurgitated.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Sounds to me, like nothing happens without PGA tour allowing it ... so there will never be any new tours unless they have control of them ?

If a significant % of events played weren't in North America then the PGA tour wouldn't have had any say.
But the contracts prevent other tours hustling in on their territory.

 

[Mel Smooth]

The PGA tour have spend decades building up the sport - golf is a huge sport now because of a lot of the work they have done - do people really think they should just stand aside and let a rival tour with deep pockets take their prize assets ?

As some said what would happen if the Saudis created a new Premier League or rugby league or new tennis majors etc

LiV your can be created - the players can go and play on it - but why should they allow the players who have left to also play on their tour ?

The PGA Tour have done a great job of monopolising and Americanising golf.

They got the golden egg with Tiger.

But there is a huge market for something different, which could and should be in addition to the other tours.

Of course the PGA can ban players, but they have weakened their fields by doing it. Same applies to the Ryder Cup with the Stenson debacle.

 

[sunshine]

Have just got home from a week's holiday, no internet at all.......
was wonderful not to read the same old crap being regurgitated.

So you didn't look at the forum on holiday, but now back at work you have to log on to read this thread. Do you work for golf monthly as a forum reviewer?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The PGA Tour have done a great job of monopolising and Americanising golf.

What other tours grabbed the initiative ? Got all the tour sponsership ? Helped create bigger events for these golfers ?

Why didn’t the other tours do it ? Maybe it’s because the market for golf was bigger in the US, it has the weather , the courses , the crowds , the Telly networks willing to pay a lot

There was nothing stopping the ET getting sponsership and to increase their events - why didn’t they ?

And how is golf “Americanised” ?‍ That’s strange comment

They got the golden egg with Tiger.

But there is a huge market for something different, which could and should be in addition to the other tours.

Of course the PGA can ban players, but they have weakened their fields by doing it. Same applies to the Ryder Cup with the Stenson debacle.

Is there really a “huge market” ?

where are most of the LIV events - the US ?‍


The PGA haven’t “banned” anyone -

And Stenson hasn’t been banned - he lost the captaincy because of his choice

 

[Imurg]

But there is a huge market for something different, which could and should be in addition to the other tours.

Arguable...but if players want to go and play LIV then they can...but..
Why should they expect to play on the PGA as well..?
The PGA are looking after their own interests, naturally, but also the interests of their members.
Having One's cake and being able to eat it is a rare commodity...

 

[Ethan]

The PGA Tour have done a great job of monopolising and Americanising golf.

They got the golden egg with Tiger.

But there is a huge market for something different, which could and should be in addition to the other tours.

Of course the PGA can ban players, but they have weakened their fields by doing it. Same applies to the Ryder Cup with the Stenson debacle.

Oh, come off it. There is no huge market for past it and who's that players to be offered multiples of an average persons annual salary to finish 43rd in a shortened, no cut, event with teams. None of these differences improve the product or grow the game. They are simply branding differences.

If you really must keep talking this up, at least be honest about it. This is a massive spend to grab headlines and eyeballs to sanitise the Saudi's image. There is no grander reason for it. LIV Tour doesn't give a toss about breaking monopoly (see OPEC) or reducing Americanism (They have set up the HQ in Palm Beach.).

Sportwashing, pure and simple and exploiting the greed of already wealthy mercenary golfers to do so.

 

[pokerjoke]

The PGA tour is so weak now even Tony Finau is winning

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A few have mentioned that the biggest issue that’s causing all the problems is Greg Norman himself

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551533068275646464

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Arguable...but if players want to go and play LIV then they can...but..
Why should they expect to play on the PGA as well..?
The PGA are looking after their own interests, naturally, but also the interests of their members.
Having One's cake and being able to eat it is a rare commodity...

The LIV boys want two cakes

 

[Backsticks]

But there is a huge market for something different

Something different, has to be at least as good, if not better. LIV 'different' shows that they couldn't even come up with genuine different. Without something better than the nonsense they have proposed, different is actually worse that what was there. And how is what was there bad actually ? Where are the golf fans clamouring for something different before Saudi, with its rich history, sensitivity for, and deep culture in golf, came along to solve the 'problem'.

 

[Backsticks]

Sportwashing, pure and simple and exploiting the greed of already wealthy mercenary golfers to do so.

I wonder what will it take for the Saudis to pull the money plug. There is no question but that this attemp has been appallingly handled by LIV. It has brought nothing but a negative focus on Saudi. They are the bad guys to world golf, and their bad guy human rights issues have been given a lot or air and probably also highlighted to a wider audience.
They are not pulling of any pro Saudi pr coup here. Far from it.
At some point the ultimate paymasters behind it will consider whether it is worth it.

 

[Depreston]

I wonder what will it take for the Saudis to pull the money plug. There is no question but that this attemp has been appallingly handled by LIV. It has brought nothing but a negative focus on Saudi. They are the bad guys to world golf, and their bad guy human rights issues have been given a lot or air and probably also highlighted to a wider audience.
They are not pulling of any pro Saudi pr coup here. Far from it.
At some point the ultimate paymasters behind it will consider whether it is worth it.

Yes but it'll die down and they'll be at the table with sponsors soon enough... and then they're just another cog in the sporting world. job done.

 

[sunshine]

But there is a huge market for something different, which could and should be in addition to the other tours.

You're right, I think there is a market for something different (maybe not huge - it's hard to define).

Potentially targeting a younger audience, and an audience which is less golf savvy, is a good avenue. Golf today can be impenetrable with the complex rules and jargon. So a more immediate format may appeal.

But is this where Liv is aiming? Signing Bland, Na, Ormsby, Uhlein, etc indicate not.

 

[BubbaP]

When golf joined the Olympics there were many voices saying - not another 72 hole regular strokeplay singles event

Then again, don't recall any asking for 54 holes with dodgy team names either ?

 

[Beezerk]

Potentially targeting a younger audience, and an audience which is less golf savvy, is a good avenue. Golf today can be impenetrable with the complex rules and jargon. So a more immediate format may appeal.

But is this where Liv is aiming? Signing Bland, Na, Ormsby, Uhlein, etc indicate not.

Do big names matter to a less golf savvy younger audience? How many will have heard of Koepka or even Morikawa never mind Bland and co? I’d say 99% of the worlds population could only name 3 or 4 golfers at a push, Tiger, Rory maybe Bryson, I’m struggling after that to find any real massive names.

 

[RRidges]

But there is a huge market for something different, which could and should be in addition to the other tours.

Is there really? Where's the market research that shows that?
The events so far have been very ho-hum, with surprisingly few visitors and loads of free tickets being used to attract spectators. The only buzz being the controversial nature of the concept.

Same applies to the Ryder Cup with the Stenson debacle.

His defection has probably been one of their major coups! I wonder how much it cost them!