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[Deleted member 21784]

Still very competitive ?‍

Schwartzel outside the World Top 100 , hasn’t won on Tour for over 6 years

Fowler just inside the top 150 - 1/2 top ten in 2/3 years

Westwood top 70 1/2 top ten in the last 2 years , a good number of missed cuts

You can go through them all - even DJ hasn’t won on tour since the Saudi event 18 months ago

Each players World ranking is on a downward

Right now the PGA has all the current players on form and no sign of them moving

Form is fickle and temporary

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Last season

DJ top 10 at the players

Louis top 5 at the open

DJ top 10 at open

Louis second us open

Reed top 10 masters

Phil won PGA

Louis 2nd PGA

Fowler 9th PGA

Westwood 2nd players

Bryson 3rd players

Garcia 9th players

These players are hardly not competing

What did they do for the rest of the season? Loads of wins they racked up between them! What are their world rankings?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

What did they do for the rest of the season? Loads of wins they racked up between them! What are their world rankings?

Top 100 for a lot of them. So DJ was what top 15 only 14 players in the world better than him

But hey why let these things get in the way of a good bash of something different because people don't like change or something new

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Top 100 for a lot of them. So DJ was what top 15 only 14 players in the world better than him

But hey why let these things get in the way of a good bash of something different because people don't like change or something new

I don't mind different or something new. What I don't like is something being hyped as attracting top quality players when clearly it isn't.

 

[Swango1980]

Top 100 for a lot of them. So DJ was what top 15 only 14 players in the world better than him

But hey why let these things get in the way of a good bash of something different because people don't like change or something new

Was DJ not 1st or 2nd best player in world for a streak of 18 months to 2 years, which ended at end of summer last year. Think he was still in top 10, maybe 5th, in February this year?

I appreciate he has had a period of worse form, but it really wasn't that long ago he was unbelievable. And at 37, could easily find that form again. Not sure if people have short memories? Like a player could be king of the world for best part of 2 years, have 6 or so months of bad form and suddenly be a nobody?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I don't mind different or something new. What I don't like is something being hyped as attracting top quality players when clearly it isn't.

15 of the top 100 before Phil arrived so 16 out of 48 players in top 100

Bryson in that's 17
Reed coming that's 18

If say 25 tee up next time is it then worth noticing?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Was DJ not 1st or 2nd best player in world for a streak of 18 months to 2 years, which ended at end of summer last year. Think he was still in top 10, maybe 5th, in February this year?

I appreciate he has had a period of worse form, but it really wasn't that long ago he was unbelievable. And at 37, could easily find that form again. Not sure if people have short memories? Like a player could be king of the world for best part of 2 years, have 6 or so months of bad form and suddenly be a nobody?

Golf is full of short memories

Unless your a Rory fan then he is unbelievable even when he hasn't won a major in 8 years etc

Another point missed out is Americans love seeing Americans win events. A lot of players leaving are Americans I can see the likes of Rory and Fitzpatrick benefiting from it for one.. won't be as popular that side of pond

 

[Deleted member 1418]

15 of the top 100 before Phil arrived so 16 out of 48 players in top 100

Bryson in that's 17
Reed coming that's 18

If say 25 tee up next time is it then worth noticing?

Not until they sign up 1 or 2 of the top 10. Until then there signing top 100 players who aren't seriously contending most times they tee it up.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Not until they sign up 1 or 2 of the top 10. Until then there signing top 100 players who aren't seriously contending most times they tee it up.

Problem is soon as they sign anyone they will drop out of the top 10 because of suspension

DJ is a top 10 player as is Bryson

 

[Deleted member 1418]

DJ was a top player and could be again, but hardly likely playing what, 9 events a year against mainly poor opposition.

Bryson who knows whether he will return fully fit from injury. Probably depends on how much heavy lifting he does in the gym..........or how much other medical assistance he gets.

 

[4LEX]

It's a popular format out of the normal golf viewers and with some current ones

Fans have been crying out for diff formats to be put on along side the norm

There is place for both the PGA and the Liv . However only the PGA is the one making sure they are only ways left.

By doing so they will end up losing talent and weakening their product

Masters top 25

Schwartzel
DJ
Westwood
Garcia

PGA top 25

Fowler
Na

These players are still very competitive on tour

Taking them away weakens the PGA

It really doesn't. Theres talent coming through that are so much better than most of the players you listed, bar DJ. Who is a bit of a weird one in the sense he won't be hanging around in golf for long. He got his majors, peaked and has been on a downward trend for a while. The last Ryder Cup highlited the fact the old guard with big reps are finished.

Nothing against you personally Paul but you must be on the paroll of LIV

 

[Deleted member 21784]

It really doesn't. Theres talent coming through that are so much better than most of the players you listed, bar DJ. Who is a bit of a weird one in the sense he won't be hanging around in golf for long. He got his majors, peaked and has been on a downward trend for a while. The last Ryder Cup highlited the fact the old guard with big reps are finished.

Nothing against you personally Paul but you must be on the paroll of LIV

I like innovation, new things and can't stand when organisations won't adapt just because they have what they want.

New talent coming through yes but how about the current us amateur champ? He's in there .. that's a massive coup .. up and coming

Also Bryson is one of the most interesting things to happen to golf in years to add a bit of abnormal.. that drive at bay hill was one of the best moments on tour last year.

 

[garyinderry]

As a golf fan the new format does nothing for me.

Less time playing. 5 hours
3 days instead of 4.
No sunday golf.

The team element is completely pointless. Means nothing to me in the slightest. Money for old rope for the players.

The players not having image rights. Couldn't care less.
The caddies not getting their digs paid for. Not really my problem. Do think it's a good idea on the whole. The tour isnt short a few bob.

The 54 hole thing is only a positive for the players. They get to bugger off home a day early. That and the obscene money is the big draw for the players. Does nothing for the viewer.

The top players need to congregate on some tour. If it ends up a 54 hole sprint tour I will be gutted. RIP golf as we knew and loved.

 

[Crow]

Just watched the highlights of day 2.

Entertaining but two points grated:
Again far too much of Phil shown.
But most annoying of all is that stupid ball rattle when putts dropped, it has to be dubbed and it really gets on my nerves. If they don't sort that soon, I'm OUT.

 

[Slab]

I wonder if the player standing within world ranking might not be a bit of a red herring in the context of who's playing on which tour. Its the best we have so its really all we've got to go on but I think most will agree its not perfect... and maybe even flawed

'World' Points are weighted (dare I say biased) towards the pgat based on field strength/event status etc which is itself derived from that same unequal weighting. Shot for shot there are plenty of excellent players around the world who could easily compete on on the pgat on any given week... but they're not even in the field

The pgat is in itself weighted/biased in its qualification to join towards admitting US players (how else to explain the ratio of US players V's rest of the world, lots of whom will never be household names even in america)

The best players are on the pgat but there's lots making up the numbers who couldn't compete any better if playing on the ET or in Asia and all they need do is to play well once or twice a year and suddenly they're collecting more OWGR points than better players will in a whole season

 

[Slab]

Despite the limited number of LIV events each year being viewed as a negative (grab the money & work less) its actually a pretty close number of events to what the top pgat players currently play in pgat run events last year
The like of Rory, Rahm & DJ etc only played a dozen pgat run events last year. The rest of their season was made up of Majors, WGC & ET
So unless all these other organizing bodies follow the pgat tour in banning LIV players (very doubtful) then the LIV events will only be a part of their season, much like the pgat is now, so the strength of field and integrity of the other main events wont be impacted by LIV

We may even see a change in how players can qualify for a Major/WGC so that winning a run of the mill pgat against a medium field doesn't open doors unequal to wins in Asia/Europe

 

[Slab]

Dustin Johnson has applied for ET/DPWT membership

 

[Imurg]

Just an observation....

99% of the chat I've seen on here and on other socials is all about the money, the field, the format.....but barely anything about the golf itself.
I haven't watched any of it but I've been active on here and twitter...but I have no idea who is winning or what any of the scores are...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not that interested...but I'm surprised I've seen no mentions of who is atop the leaderboard.

 

[BubbaP]

Maybe because the leaderboard positions are facts, whereas people generally prefer to offer their opinions ?

 

[evemccc]

Just an observation....

99% of the chat I've seen on here and on other socials is all about the money, the field, the format.....but barely anything about the golf itself.
I haven't watched any of it but I've been active on here and twitter...but I have no idea who is winning or what any of the scores are...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not that interested...but I'm surprised I've seen no mentions of who is atop the leaderboard.

Maybe so, but that’s because IMO 1) most golf tournaments (outside of the Majors) are not that interesting and many people don’t engage….2) Who is coming to LIV and the politics of it all is constantly developing - and is pretty interesting 3) There’s equally no discussion on the PGA Tour event that’s going on right now (related to point 1)