Arthur Wedge
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Not competing wouldnt have mattered , having the biggest name in the sport would have been huge
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Not competing wouldnt have mattered , having the biggest name in the sport would have been huge
Mel Smooth
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You think they wanted Tiger to compete?
They would have paid him whatever he wanted for him just to say he endorsed it.
Well whatever, he’s a good miss for LIV. If he’d signed up it would have been a huge distraction- just as he remains so on the PGAT
Smigger79
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Are we at Phil’s chess moves 32-37 yet? Was one of them signing Tom McKibbin?
Lucifer MorningStar
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Could argue the opposite that it’s in the words of Hank Haney a “BIG miss” for Liv. An inform Tiger or a not even playing Tiger would be the biggest ambassador any new golf brand could have. Simply having the Name Tiger Woods and being approved by him would be enough to draw so many fans to their events.
Just to see him do a range clinic, hit opening ceremonial tee shots etc would have done more for them and revenue than having Poulter and many other past it players competing playing mediocre golf.
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Mel Smooth
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I'm not convinced, he does those things for the TGL concept and after the initial hype, I think we are seeing the Tiger effect dissipate pretty quickly.
Even on LIV some of the older golfers who brought eyeballs to the events in the early days, are being replaced as fan favourites with the younger guys that we're coming through when the series started, the likes of Niemann, Puig, Ballester, McKibbn etc..
While Tiger would undoubtedly have been benefcial in the early stages, by now he really wouldn't be adding much to the series in general.
Arthur Wedge
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Well the TGL managed to get
Big media rights
The best Players
And all the franchises sold
Financially it brought in the money needed
The likes of Puig, McKibbin etc whilst are players with huge potential are not the players that will stand up a tour
People as a whole won’t switch on to watch Niemann etc
We’ll agree to disagree on the Tiger aspect. On the odd occasion he’s turned out the spectators lining the hole he’s been playing are way higher than you see on other holes. And the media give far more time showing Tiger footage than is warranted based on where he is on the leaderboard.
Unless LIV could attract a player of Scheffler’s standing, Tiger will attract more than a nobody. But more importantly he’ll bring in the sponsors.
Mel Smooth
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Which sponsors is Tiger going to attract to the PGAT this year?
He's done as a golfer, and it's all a bit of a roadshow when he turns up. I appreciate people want to watch him, but he'd have been in the relegation zone every single year in the LIV format, and would have just added more conjecture that LIV can't be taken seriously for protecting the star players from relegation.
I don't think Scheffler would be a good addition either, he's undoubtedly a quality golfer but he wouldn't have the commitment to the LIV model that players need, and again, he'd cost a fortune. Rory on the other hand - yeah, he'd be worth a good sized bag of cash.
Really? You want me to name sponsors?
If you can’t see the effect he still has…
I’m not a Tiger fan, and do not like the hype that he brings to tournaments getting way more airtime than I feel he should. I can see it and plenty on the forum comment about it.
Like I said, we’ll agree to disagree…
Arthur Wedge
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Woods is the biggest name in the sport
When he played the eyes on at the very least double
Any sponser knowing he might be there will be rubbing their hands
Lucifer MorningStar
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What baffles me with the thought that Tiger wouldn't bring in more sponsors, more viewers and more people through the gates is that he would do exactly all of that without even having to play. Just as an Ambassador his name would drag in so much sponsorship the LIV would have had less in losses on the balance sheet. Hos name would bring far more credibility to a burgeoning tour than Greg Norman the outcast ever could have.
I'm not a Tiger fan boy, he's arguably the 2nd greatest player ever but the biggest name to ever play. I'd love Norman as a Player but it's obvious from a business model who brings in more cash by pure presence alone!
I'm not a Tiger fan boy, he's arguably the 2nd greatest player ever but the biggest name to ever play. I'd love Norman as a Player but it's obvious from a business model who brings in more cash by pure presence alone!
Mel Smooth
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Really? You want me to name sponsors?
If you can’t see the effect he still has…
I’m not a Tiger fan, and do not like the hype that he brings to tournaments getting way more airtime than I feel he should. I can see it and plenty on the forum comment about it.
Like I said, we’ll agree to disagree…
I don’t want you to name sponsors - but he’s got a golf league that isn’t exactly awash with them - so doesn’t that kind of prove my point?
No…
Did Jack bring in people and sponsors way beyond his best years?
Did Arnie still bring his army and sponsors way beyond his best years?
Arnie was a bit before my years of physically following the tour. I’ve seen the draw he had. When Jack & Tom played their last game at St Andrews I saw the crowds on every single hole - I was there, just as I’d been there for so many of the top players in their latter years.
And you think the best player in the last few generations doesn’t have that draw… aye, right…
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evemccc
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Why are people watching Tiger in 2025?
Surely because it’s Tiger…they are watching BECAUSE of what he did years ago, and to say they’ve seen him, and because of what he means to the history of the game.
They aren’t watching because he has any hope of winning nor challenging and not because of what he IS doing or WILL do…
They watch for the reason I wanted to watch a 56 yr old Jack Nicklaus when I saw him at Lytham in the 96 Open…because I want to say I’ve seen one of the best ever players, swing the club…(the only difference, perhaps, is that the 56 yr old Nicklaus was 1 shot off the lead going into the weekend at the 96 Open)
Pro golf might as well get Trump, Steph Curry, Harry Styles etc to play PGA Tour events…if they want to get eyeballs and sponsorship
Surely because it’s Tiger…they are watching BECAUSE of what he did years ago, and to say they’ve seen him, and because of what he means to the history of the game.
They aren’t watching because he has any hope of winning nor challenging and not because of what he IS doing or WILL do…
They watch for the reason I wanted to watch a 56 yr old Jack Nicklaus when I saw him at Lytham in the 96 Open…because I want to say I’ve seen one of the best ever players, swing the club…(the only difference, perhaps, is that the 56 yr old Nicklaus was 1 shot off the lead going into the weekend at the 96 Open
)Pro golf might as well get Trump, Steph Curry, Harry Styles etc to play PGA Tour events…if they want to get eyeballs and sponsorship
Mel Smooth
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No…
Did Jack bring in people and sponsors way beyond his best years?
Did Arnie still bring his army and sponsors way beyond his best years?
Arnie was a bit before my years of physically following the tour. I’ve seen the draw he had. When Jack & Tom played their last game at St Andrews I saw the crowds on every single hole - I was there, just as I’d been there for so many of the top players in their latter years.
And you think the best player in the last few generations doesn’t have that draw… aye, right…
You've dodged the question.
If Tiger woud be so good at bringing in sponsorship to LIV, why isn't he bringing in sponsorship to TGL?
Bringing in US based sponsors to an established US based tour, from US players, is a very different proposition to bringng in new partners from new markets on a global scale - and that is where LIV is - breaking new ground. Do you genuinley believe Tiger would be a good fit for that, and go about it anything like the kind of enthusiasm we see from Bryson for example? (His last 3 You Tube videos alone have over 10 million views). The future of LIV is digital markets, Ai technologies, crypto etc. It's a far cry from the tried and tested boys club that the PGAT is built around. Tiger can't even figure out what the yardage is on his own simulator ffs...
WorldHandicapSystem
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Your posts make more sense when other people or AI write them.You've dodged the question.
If Tiger woud be so good at bringing in sponsorship to LIV, why isn't he bringing in sponsorship to TGL?
Bringing in US based sponsors to an established US based tour, from US players, is a very different proposition to bringng in new partners from new markets on a global scale - and that is where LIV is - breaking new ground. Do you genuinley believe Tiger would be a good fit for that, and go about it anything like the kind of enthusiasm we see from Bryson for example? (His last 3 You Tube videos alone have over 10 million views). The future of LIV is digital markets, Ai technologies, crypto etc. It's a far cry from the tried and tested boys club that the PGAT is built around. Tiger can't even figure out what the yardage is on his own simulator ffs...
A clip of Tiger walking round with a wedge in his hand while watching Charlie gets more view than entire liv events.
You've dodged the question.
If Tiger woud be so good at bringing in sponsorship to LIV, why isn't he bringing in sponsorship to TGL?
Bringing in US based sponsors to an established US based tour, from US players, is a very different proposition to bringng in new partners from new markets on a global scale - and that is where LIV is - breaking new ground. Do you genuinley believe Tiger would be a good fit for that, and go about it anything like the kind of enthusiasm we see from Bryson for example? (His last 3 You Tube videos alone have over 10 million views). The future of LIV is digital markets, Ai technologies, crypto etc. It's a far cry from the tried and tested boys club that the PGAT is built around. Tiger can't even figure out what the yardage is on his own simulator ffs...
*yawn*…
Like I said, agree to disagree. And you’ve ignored every point I’ve raised about the draw he has on the PGA Tour…
Do you not think TGL mirrors LIV, a new product trying to find its niche, trying to find its market? I like what LIV is trying to achieve. I like TGL less because it’s Mickey Mouse but I still like snippets - it’s the fast food version, it has its place.
There’s an old saying, think it’s bible based, “they cannot see, those that have already closed their mind.”
Seriously, life isn’t binary. You don’t have to decry the PGA or TGL, nor the draw that high profile players have just because they’re not wetting themselves over LIV. There’s room for all because it fits different viewers/spectators preferences.
Mel Smooth
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And who do you think are watching those clips - it's the 50,60 70 year olds etc that watched Tiger when he could play - that is not the market LIV are interested in.
AussieKB
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I missed that...when did it happen ?
Lucifer MorningStar
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Is it though. Is it really……. Where’s your viewership figures to prove that. Also they might want a younger audience but overall figures are what put cash on the table not the age of viewer!
I’m 45 and I’d watch Tiger just hit balls on the range even in his current state. My Mrs newly into golf knows who Tiger is and watches his snippets on SM. The only people she’s heard of on Liv are Rahm, BDC and Tyrell because he makes great snippets of commentary, last time I checked she’s at least 20 years off the bracket your saying is the only ones who watch Tiger.
if you can provide actual facts to back that up FairPlay and I’m going to bow out as its almost like your the only one flogging this horse. But whenever people mention how they think LIV could be improved you go all in and try to bring down the PGAT instead of seeking constructive criticism or acknowledging it’s not perfect.
I prefer the DPWT to PGAT , I watch LIV as I enjoy it being something different and will take the family to JCB next year if I get a chance. I love watching Ladies tour as it’s all golf to be enjoyed in different ways but that doesn’t mean that any tour is beyond criticism and LiV is still the new boy in town so will take more. But digging in and saying Tiger wouldn’t have improved viewers, or brought in more money than having someone like Norman front it is just ludicrous!
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