LIV Golf

[Mel Smooth]

Hmmm I think you are reading a bit too much into it. He speaks about going back to the PGAT but I could say the same. He would need to qualify just like me. A couple of sponsor invites isn't going to get him his card unless he wins, about the same odds as me winning on the PGA. His options are basically LIV, satellite tours or retirement.

I said he had an offer to go back to the PGAT which he declined - that's a fact based comment backed up by multiple people including Kim himself. We've no idea how many events he would have played - but he would have played some, you can be sure of that. I'm not sure it's me that reading too much into anything, infact I'd say, as is the norm, I'm dealing with people trying to undermine my views with tenuous opinion.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Where do you find these?

The final hole had grandstands on it. And they roped off the fairway so punters could follow up behind. So this would be view back from the grandstand.

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The picture was from round 2, not day 3. Brooks was leading going into Day 2, whereas Rahm and Niemann would have been back in the 4th group - hence they're finishing on the 3rd hole - I suspect most of the galleries would have been around 18 and the fan village as the day drew to a close.

People need to adjust their perception of what to expect when there's a shotgun start, because you just aren't going to have masses of fans following multiple groups on days 1 and 2 - it's no different to when I was at Troon on the Friday and the grandstands around 18 were about half full as Rahm, Rory, Tommy, Bob Mac, Bryson and Hatton all headed down the stretch.

 

[3 jabber]

I said he had an offer to go back to the PGAT which he declined - that's a fact based comment backed up by multiple people including Kim himself. We've no idea how many events he would have played - but he would have played some, you can be sure of that. I'm not sure it's me that reading too much into anything, infact I'd say, as is the norm, I'm dealing with people trying to undermine my views with tenuous opinion.

I think you are reading a couple of sponsors invites as a career on the PGA tour. Do you seriously think he can survive on the PGAT? I would say his chances of getting and retaining his card are virtually zero. His only chance of tour golf is LIV.

 

[Mel Smooth]

I think you are reading a couple of sponsors invites as a career on the PGA tour. Do you seriously think he can survive on the PGAT? I would say his chances of getting and retaining his card are virtually zero. His only chance of tour golf is LIV.

Nobody knows what his PGAT option was, you’ve got an opinion based on your own feeling and what you’ve read searching google, I’m basing mine on what AK is on record as saying - but that doesn’t even matter - the point I made was that he had a PGAT offer - one that was clearly tempting to him and worthy of consideration - if a Golf Monthly journalist is going to accuse AK of taking the easy money for playing on LIV, it’s important to balance that with the fact that he had the option to do that on the PGAT - something that is pointed out in his interview.

Maybe you need to digest these words from the man himself in reference to people making the same argument as you are now.

“The tour wouldn’t have you back……”

“You couldn’t play on any other tour”

“Thats how I know they’re stupid”

 

[Beezerk]

I think you are reading a couple of sponsors invites as a career on the PGA tour. Do you seriously think he can survive on the PGAT? I would say his chances of getting and retaining his card are virtually zero. His only chance of tour golf is LIV.

How you doing James?

 

[3 jabber]

Nobody knows what his PGAT option was, you’ve got an opinion based on your own feeling and what you’ve read searching google, I’m basing mine on what AK is on record as saying - but that doesn’t even matter - the point I made was that he had a PGAT offer - one that was clearly tempting to him and worthy of consideration - if a Golf Monthly journalist is going to accuse AK of taking the easy money for playing on LIV, it’s important to balance that with the fact that he had the option to do that on the PGAT - something that is pointed out in his interview.

Maybe you need to digest these words from the man himself in reference to people making the same argument as you are now.

“The tour wouldn’t have you back……”

“You couldn’t play on any other tour”

“Thats how I know they’re stupid”

All he said in his interview was that he had options. The PGAT doesn't hand out free playing rights, the best he could hope for is a couple of invites. Like I said, he is washed up and LIV is his only option now.

 

[Fore Right]

For me Liv needs to do both of the below things but i dont think they will.

Relegate Bubba Watson and make him go to the promotion Event to earn his way back, If he doesnt then be a non playing Rangegoats captain for 2025.

Do not renew Anthony Kims contract and make him go to the Promotions event, if he doesnt qualify then off to the Asian Tour International Series for 2025.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Listened to the Golf Lovers United podcast earlier - they had Tom on from Flushing It who is pretty well researched with his information. Part of the chat was around the Dunhill Links, where we'll see quite a few LIV players tee it up, Tom suggesting that Johan Rupert is influencing some of the invites and changes to allow the LIV players to take part - and get things in the pro golf world moving in the right direction.

We've also seen Rahm saying today at the Spanish Open, that he is hearing rumours that agreement is not far away.

It would be great to see a line in the sand being drawn, of you will - so we know what the future of the different tours will look like.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Madrid and Le Golf National are being reported as possible locations for the series next year - looks like the number of US based events is likely to drop again, as LIV finds it's international feet.

 

[Bucktaylor64]

Madrid and Le Golf National are being reported as possible locations for the series next year - looks like the number of US based events is likely to drop again, as LIV finds it's international feet.

Think they should add Turnberry as an extra UK event.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Think they should add Turnberry as an extra UK event.

I'd imagine they've had the discussions - but would that put an end to any lingering hopes that the course could host an Open event again?

LIV definitely need a links course on their roster - and there isn't one better than Turnberry - having said that, it's starting to look like LIV see their events based around courses close to large cities, hence the Madrid speculation - Greg Norman is there this weekend for the Spanish Open, and of course Le Golf National also meets that criteria. I'm not sure Turnberry would pull in thej LIV crowds just yet, more due it's location than anything else.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'd imagine they've had the discussions - but would that put an end to any lingering hopes that the course could host an Open event again?

LIV definitely need a links course on their roster - and there isn't one better than Turnberry - having said that, it's starting to look like LIV see their events based around courses close to large cities, hence the Madrid speculation - Greg Norman is there this weekend for the Spanish Open, and of course Le Golf National also meets that criteria. I'm not sure Turnberry would pull in thej LIV crowds just yet, more due it's location than anything else.

Do you not think that Turnberry would give LIV some cache? A bit of class and history? I think it would be a feather in their cap. I do get your point about location though.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Do you not think that Turnberry would give LIV some cache? A bit of class and history? I think it would be a feather in their cap. I do get your point about location though.

Definitely, it would be a great course for LIV one of the best in the world on any tour, so to have it on LIV would be a bit of a coup for them I think. But right now it would pretty much write off Turnberry getting another Open in the near future wouldn't it - although I'd say the chances of that happening are pretty slim anyway.

Also, if the plan is to have home courses for each team - I'd think that the UK team would (again talking about location) need to be based somewhere London centric or within an hour or two's drive at least.

 

[D-S]

I believe there are also tax implications if players play too many times in the UK. I think it is the withholding tax, which means the more money they earn the sponsorship earnings become liable for taxation as well as prize money.
This is why the Irish Open won’t be going back to NI for a while as the field in County Down wasn’t as strong as it could have been as players didn’t want to potentially pay more tax.

 

[Fore Right]

Im predicting David Puig to Legion 13 for 2025.......

 

[Mel Smooth]

Im predicting David Puig to Legion 13 for 2025.......

The way he's playing today not harming his chances.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Looks like Chacarra’s time with the Fireballs is up.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Okay - LIV are promoting this event now - is it backed by them, or are they just doing so because they're not bound by any contractual stuff?

If it's a LIV event, even co-sanctioned or supported - that has some implications for the legal position of banning LIV players from the PGAT doesn't it?

Anyway, should be fun to watch - it's a showpiece event but I'd imagine it will be used to test the demand for a larger inter tour event with more players competing further down the line

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845932862299951242

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Okay - LIV are promoting this event now - is it backed by them, or are they just doing so because they're not bound by any contractual stuff?

If it's a LIV event, even co-sanctioned or supported - that has some implications for the legal position of banning LIV players from the PGAT doesn't it?

Anyway, should be fun to watch - it's a showpiece event but I'd imagine it will be used to test the demand for a larger inter tour event with more players competing further down the line

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845932862299951242

Can't think of anything worse than a put on phoney mate fest

 

[doublebogey7]

Okay - LIV are promoting this event now - is it backed by them, or are they just doing so because they're not bound by any contractual stuff?

If it's a LIV event, even co-sanctioned or supported - that has some implications for the legal position of banning LIV players from the PGAT doesn't it?

Anyway, should be fun to watch - it's a showpiece event but I'd imagine it will be used to test the demand for a larger inter tour event with more players competing further down the line

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845932862299951242

Which PGA tour event does this clash with out of interest.