Swango1980
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I assumed they resigned to avoid legal action?
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Fore Right
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Didnt Rory say they had to change the rules now so they can have the strongest team in 2 years time ?
wjemather
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Let's not pretend there was any value in them not resigning their membership given the fines and suspensions that were levied.
I'd be very surprised if the same sort of sanctions will be forthcoming now.
cleveland52
Active member
Yep, said by one of the three pro LIV posters on this site.BiM, this thread is all the proof needed, that even though a ball hasn't been struck at a LIV event this year, it's the most interesting and talked about subject in mens professional golf.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Others have explained it already, but those original 'defectors' were given fines for playing LIV events and effectively had no choice but to resign membership if they wanted to continue with LIV. As I've said, the landscape is now different and that won't be the same scenario for Rahm and Hatton will it?
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Not sure - didn’t some of them try to sue the ET to allow them to play ( but failed)
So they still had a choice - pay the fines and stay a member ( they certainly had the money ) just as Weisburger has and be able to play on the Ryder Cup
It’s almost as if there weren’t rules in place
Everyone had a choice , they could have paid the fines and continued to be a DP members if they wished
It’s almost as if they were the ones hard done by
Life is full of choices - we don’t all get to have every slice of the cake
Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
I hope not! There are enough players to pick from on the ET and PGA Tour. Rory could go and I would still think this way.
A quick look suggests SA gets around 3m people a year on pilgrimage.
When I looked at visitor numbers they include 'local tourists' in their figures so you need to look a bit deeper. Happy to be corrected but it looks like they get around 7-8m overseas tourists, including those on pilgrimage. The 77m figure includes everyone.
I went to N. Yorkshire last week so under that counting method I was a UK tourist then. In effect, you are right. That figure is nonsense
A quick search regarding DP Tour fines. Fines were levied for each breach. It wasn't 1 fine for the season, it was a fine each time a tournament conflicted. The best estimate I've seen is Westwood's fine got to about £400k. £800k was mentioned but Westwood denies that figure. This is why he and others resigned. If they resigned, they didn't have to pay it.
There is no way they will fine Rahm in the same way, it just will not happen. If they change it for him, it will be changed for the others.
There is no way they will fine Rahm in the same way, it just will not happen. If they change it for him, it will be changed for the others.
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DP World Tour wins legal battle to impose fines and sanctions on members playing on LIV
Sport Resolutions has announced it has upheld the DP World Tours conflicting tournament release regulation and its ability to sanction members who breached it; The appeals were dismissed and each of the appellants were ordered to pay the fine of £100,000 originally imposed
Fines were £100k
And believe it was for any event that was conflicting the DP Tour hence the fine for playing at Centurion was £100k and it was then suspended until the court case
Believe for some of the events outside the UK etc it was about £10k
Orikoru
Tour Winner
It's not the same choice that Rahm and Hatton will have though is it. They'll be able to pretty much have their cake and eat it in the current climate, unlike Poults and co who weren't able to do that. Nothing to do with feeling hard done by, just the landscape has now changed.
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No they will have the same choice , as it was with Pieters last year , pay the fines and keep membership or resign their tour membership
Nothing has changed , there is no working relationship between LIV and the other tours at this moment in time , so if Rahm , Meronk and Hatton play in the LIV event they will be given fines etc
wjemather
Well-known member
Pretty sure I said let's not pretend.
The big names were issued far bigger fines than Weisberger, Pieters, Otaegui, Canter, and others. with comparatively very little for them to gain by paying. It wasn't much of a choice.
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It has. But Poults and co we’re no where near good enough to be near a RC team. With the exception of maybe Sergio. But given the landscape at the time I very much doubt he would have been great for team harmony.
The RC worked out ok for Europe without an of the LiV players.
Original fines were £100k, I believe they paid those. They didn't pay the subsequent fines. There is certainly conflicting info about this, The Telegraph stated £800k for example, which Westwood himself denied.DP World Tour wins legal battle to impose fines and sanctions on members playing on LIV
Sport Resolutions has announced it has upheld the DP World Tours conflicting tournament release regulation and its ability to sanction members who breached it; The appeals were dismissed and each of the appellants were ordered to pay the fine of £100,000 originally imposedwww.skysports.com
Fines were £100k
And believe it was for any event that was conflicting the DP Tour hence the fine for playing at Centurion was £100k and it was then suspended until the court case
Believe for some of the events outside the UK etc it was about £10k
Mel Smooth
Hacker
People need to get away from the notion that LIV players are going to be subject to the same sanctions when the 2025 Ryder Cup comes around. The whole landscape will have changed massively by then, and unlike last years event where there as little justification to include players in the European Team, this will absolutely not be the case in 2 years time.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
But without Rahm or Hatton away from home it may not be the case. Rahm in particular will be huge loss if they can't find a way to make sure LIV players are able to be picked
Pin-seeker
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Looking at getting tickets for LIV at JCB in July,anyone know if you buy tickets direct from LIV?
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It’s prob also worth not posting as if something will be a fact
There is a long long way to go for any sort of potential joining that repairs and fractures
The PGAT could just as easily have a majority deal with SSG and any significant deal with PIF potentially stopped by DoJ
There is no given that the current LIV players will be suddenly back in the fold , we could be 12 months down the line and in the same situation , there have been lots of claims about what will happen over the last 2 years with very little of it actually happening
If a significant deal for PIF doesn’t happen then they may look at the LIV tour and even question if the level of funds being given out makes it worth while if there is still a split
PIF need a significant deal to make it all worth while - and that’s far from a given
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Here are the facts Phil. Europe will need Jon Rahm in the team, and he will be in it - you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
Also, the PGAT will do a deal with the SSG, infact I believe they are already operating using SSG money - and if as you suggest, the LIV players are not back in the fold, then there will be a massive gaping hole in the golf tour they have stumped up billions of dollars for.
Another fact, Al-Rumayaan will not shut LIV down - the Saudi's need golf as part of their long term plan, and if they are frozen out of a deal then they will just keep doubling down and squeeze the life out of the PGAT - how do I know this? Look at what they have done since LIV's inception.
Golf needs to be unified, I honestly don't know why you continue to maintain the divisive position you have held. Hold your hands up, embrace the changes and accept what's coming - if you keep on telling us all that LIV will fail, you will continue to be wrong. It's their 21st event since inception this week, and look at the field - it has the majority of the headliners.
