LIV Golf

[Deleted member 15344]

Wasn't it within the merger framework paperwork stuff that this was a thing though? I thought it was.

Would depend on the contract with the media companies I guess , would suspect that the media deals are with the PGAT tour and those deals will be for a certain amount of events and some events will be broadcast by different channels in the US ( easy enough in the UK ) - if LIV want to jump on that then will be need to be PGAT events etc

Frameworks may say one thing but contracts will say something different

 

[SteveW86]

Oh for sure, but I do think that part is genuine - it was something along the lines of what he put anyway, sharing TV etc..

Obviously though - the merger is not yet agreed and terms could be changed.

It will all come out eventually.

 

[Fore Right]

Liv Golfers will surely be allowed for selection for the Ryder Cup Team if Hatton goes as well ?

 

[Beezerk]

Liv Golfers will surely be allowed for selection for the Ryder Cup Team if Hatton goes as well ?

I think that was decided as soon as Rahm made the move.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Liv Golfers will surely be allowed for selection for the Ryder Cup Team if Hatton goes as well ?

Will depend if the players are DPTour members when the next Ryder Cup comes around

Don’t think Hatton moving would change that but Rahm could have

But what the landscape is in 18 months will depend on the Ryder Cup selections

 

[wjemather]

Liv Golfers will surely be allowed for selection for the Ryder Cup Team if Hatton goes as well ?

They were never not allowed.
All European Tour members in good standing (i.e. not suspended and all fines paid up) were eligible to qualify and Luke Donald was free to select them. That isn't likely to change, but it is inevitable there will be changes to the qualification criteria, especially now that ten of the best players are being shipped to the PGAT every year.

 

[WGCRider]

The PIF aren’t going to pump in billions of dollars for no reason.

You say that, but that's sort of been their plan for the last few year. Any ideas yet how they plan to make money?

 

[Bdill93]

You say that, but that's sort of been their plan for the last few year. Any ideas yet how they plan to make money?

Form a new (for profit) company yet to be named and include all the largest tours in the world under one banner - therefore creating a monopoly over the sport and control over all business going forward.

All for a few billion in initial outlays.

 

[Mel Smooth]

You say that, but that's sort of been their plan for the last few year. Any ideas yet how they plan to make money?

It was never their plan to make money from LIV for several years.

Like most investments, they take time to deliver profit, and for the Saudis, LIV is a small but important part of a much bigger vision (Vision 2030).

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Form a new (for profit) company yet to be named and include all the largest tours in the world under one banner - therefore creating a monopoly over the sport and control over all business going forward.

All for a few billion in initial outlays.

All under the banner of sportswashing to try and make the world ignore the horrific human rights record within their regime


But it’s the same as the boxing , football , World Cup

They want to be the main people behind the sport

There was a discussion about the boxing in Saudi - it’s a lot of money for them all but the spectacles etc are soulless and not a patch on any boxing event in Vegas etc.

There is always talk about tourism etc but Saudi will never be that level of destination

The idea of better events in other areas outside the US isn’t a bad thing nor is getting someway for some team events but I really hope that’s it’s not all owned by Saudi - it was bad enough when the ET sold out to DP world

 

[Bdill93]

All under the banner of sportswashing to try and make the world ignore the horrific human rights record within their regime


But it’s the same as the boxing , football , World Cup

They want to be the main people behind the sport

There was a discussion about the boxing in Saudi - it’s a lot of money for them all but the spectacles etc are soulless and not a patch on any boxing event in Vegas etc.

There is always talk about tourism etc but Saudi will never be that level of destination

The idea of better events in other areas outside the US isn’t a bad thing nor is getting someway for some team events but I really hope that’s it’s not all owned by Saudi - it was bad enough when the ET sold out to DP world

I'm with you, I don't like the funding source but there's nothing I can do about it so I accept that the buyable sports are going this way. Boxing, Darts, Snooker, Tennis, Golf.

I'm not going to be holidaying there ever, much like Dubai, its nowhere near my price range unless I suddenly win the lottery and even of I did, id rather go somewhere naturally beautiful than a man made haven.

The benefit of events there for me are the timings - no longer do we have to wait until silly oclock for a main event in Vegas or MSG, they're often around 10 or 11pm in Saudi.

 

[Mel Smooth]

All under the banner of sportswashing to try and make the world ignore the horrific human rights record within their regime


But it’s the same as the boxing , football , World Cup

They want to be the main people behind the sport

There was a discussion about the boxing in Saudi - it’s a lot of money for them all but the spectacles etc are soulless and not a patch on any boxing event in Vegas etc.

There is always talk about tourism etc but Saudi will never be that level of destination

The idea of better events in other areas outside the US isn’t a bad thing nor is getting someway for some team events but I really hope that’s it’s not all owned by Saudi - it was bad enough when the ET sold out to DP world

Why can’t Saudi build a tourist industry when Dubai can?
80 million visiting per year already, suggests you might be off the mark…

 

[Orikoru]

I think that was decided as soon as Rahm made the move.

If they're not allowed and we have to go to the US without Rahm and Hatton then we might as well not bother.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm with you, I don't like the funding source but there's nothing I can do about it so I accept that the buyable sports are going this way. Boxing, Darts, Snooker, Tennis, Golf.

I'm not going to be holidaying there ever, much like Dubai, its nowhere near my price range unless I suddenly win the lottery and even of I did, id rather go somewhere naturally beautiful than a man made haven.

The benefit of events there for me are the timings - no longer do we have to wait until silly oclock for a main event in Vegas or MSG, they're often around 10 or 11pm in Saudi.

I think for the fights between the UK/European boxers it’s workable because it’s on at acceptable hours but when it comes to the big US fighters they won’t venture outside the US because of the timings needed to catch your main audience


Have been to Dubai through work and you can feel it’s false , been to Saudi many times with work , it’s going to take a heck of a lot for the locals to turn a “blind eye” to how a westerner , it works sort of in Dubai but even then it’s a hard sell

Why can’t Saudi build a tourist industry when Dubai can?
80 million visiting per year already, suggests you might be off the mark…

Are you saying 80mil people visit Saudi per year ?!

How many are there for a religious pilgrimage?

How many from westerners not on a pilgrimage

 

[Captainron]

77.84M tourists? I smell BS from the Saudi tourism board. Hajj visitations must be massive though.

The UN Tourism Organisation doesn't even have them in their top 10 with Austria sitting on 26.2M in 2022. the number suggested by the Saudis would put them at 63.83M which would be more than the USA

 

[pokerjoke]

Liv Golfers will surely be allowed for selection for the Ryder Cup Team if Hatton goes as well ?

As Rory stated when Rham jumped across “we will have to look at the selection process “ basically to get him in the team.
However Poulter,Westwood,Garcia etc “ they have made their bed” lol.
The Ryder cup will be weakened considerably if lots go to Liv and weaken the teams.
It seems things can be changed when it suits someone’s narrative.

 

[Imurg]

Things don't need to be changed as long as those going to LIV don't resign their DPWT membership.
Rahm hasn't, Garcia, Poulter and Westwood have.
The former is eligible, the others aren't....
If Hatton and Meronk resign their memberships then they won't be eligible either.

 

[Orikoru]

Things don't need to be changed as long as those going to LIV don't resign their DPWT membership.
Rahm hasn't, Garcia, Poulter and Westwood have.
The former is eligible, the others aren't....
If Hatton and Meronk resign their memberships then they won't be eligible either.

Those three were made to resign their memberships though weren't they? The landscape is different now as I guess they won't ask the same of Rahm or Hatton.

 

[SteveW86]

I cant see anything but the strongest team being selected for the next cup, no matter which tour they are playing on. Garcia, Poulter and Westwood have all had their day and wouldnt be in the team anyway, the downside for them will be what happens with the captaincy in the future. You'd have thought they would have all been captain at some point if things stayed as they were.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Those three were made to resign their memberships though weren't they? The landscape is different now as I guess they won't ask the same of Rahm or Hatton.

They weren’t made to do anything

They had a choice and they decided to resign their membership which made them ineligible to play in the Ryder Cup

The likes of Rahm or Hatton will need to play well in majors or DP events to gain enough points to qualify or rely on a captains pick