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[Deleted member 15344]

I don't have the time to give you a full history lesson right now but if there is a 'war', it started in the early/mid-90s (or maybe even earlier).

Can’t recall PIF being around in the early/mid 90’s or indeed any tour giving players lots of money to jump onto a tour that wasn’t aligned to any tour or governing body

Unless there was another “rebel” tour

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Honestly James, just get over the bleeding heart stuff and bang You Tube on next weekend - god knows you show enough interest in LIV on here - I can't for the life of me think why anybody would take the purposeful stance to not watch good golf being played by quality players because of the tour it's played on.

I just put on golf occasionally. I don’t put it on the computer or phone. I don’t watch YouTube.
If it was on TV I’d watch it because my only real interest is in watching golf.
I am one of the few actual golf lovers on this forum. No matter where or how it’s played. I just need to be able
To watch it.

 

[evemccc]

Can’t recall PIF being around in the early/mid 90’s or indeed any tour giving players lots of money to jump onto a tour that wasn’t aligned to any tour or governing body

Unless there was another “rebel” tour

I wouldn’t use words such as ‘war’ but clearly it was Jay’s high-handed / supercilious / arrogant refusal to famously ‘take the call’ from Greg Norman when he initially reached out about the creation of what has become LIV was the start..

“In conjunction with” was what was initially suggested

Pretty much everyone now thinks Jay and the PGAT have handled this badly

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I wouldn’t use words such as ‘war’ but clearly it was Jay’s high-handed / supercilious / arrogant refusal to famously ‘take the call’ from Greg Norman when he initially reached out about the creation of what has become LIV was the start..

“In conjunction with” was what was initially suggested

Pretty much everyone now thinks Jay and the PGAT have handled this badly

Why should Jay take any calls from Greg Norman - someone who has had issues with the PGAT and a clear grudge about the tour.

Monahan is responsible for doing what he feels is best for the PGAT and its players - what ever happens over the next couple of years won’t change that but the arrival of LIV back by the bottomless pit hasn’t been good for tour golf , it’s diluted the product for all and people are switching off.

PIF is not good for sport , it’s not “growing the game” and all those other tag lines that get thrown around.

 

[DeanoMK]

Well, this would be absolutely wild if true

https://twitter.com/x/status/1750638683286589548

 

[PJ87]

Well, this would be absolutely wild if true

https://twitter.com/x/status/1750638683286589548

Wasn't this rumoured at the very start of Liv but never happened

 

[wjemather]

Can’t recall PIF being around in the early/mid 90’s or indeed any tour giving players lots of money to jump onto a tour that wasn’t aligned to any tour or governing body

Unless there was another “rebel” tour

Why should Jay take any calls from Greg Norman - someone who has had issues with the PGAT and a clear grudge about the tour.

There's definitely a link here.

 

[DeanoMK]

Wasn't this rumoured at the very start of Liv but never happened

It was, but this seems to have more traction now.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There's definitely a link here.

I’m guessing you always talk in riddles

 

[PJ87]

It was, but this seems to have more traction now.

Would be nice too see him return

 

[Deleted member 1147]

There's definitely a link here.

Which is?

 

[wjemather]

I’m guessing you always talk in riddles

Which is?

I could write an essay, but I'm not going to.
The basic information is easily found via your favourite search engine.

 

[Bratty]

I could write an essay, but I'm not going to.
The basic information is easily found via your favourite search engine.

Rather than write an essay, just share some of the links from your favourite Internet search engine to help us, please.

 

[fenwayrich]

Which is?

In the mid 1990's Greg Norman proposed a 'World Tour', I think it was something like 10 tournaments. Can't remember who was backing the idea financially. Tim Finchem had only just taken over from Deane Beman as Commissioner, and, supported by the elder statesmen of the Tour such as Arnold Palmer, he gave Norman the shortest of shrifts. Although Norman carried on with his efforts, he didn't get anywhere. Finchem did pay lip service to the idea by starting an 'International Federation', or some such name, with a few events, which annoyed Norman even more. They did agree to 'let bygones be bygones' a few years later, but it would appear that Norman's anger continued to fester until he found a massively wealthy backer with their own objectives to create the Tour he had always wanted.

That's my brief summary anyway, as far as I can remember it. Thirty years is a long time!

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I’m guessing you always talk in riddles

Standard LiV speak. Just remember, they are playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers

 

[AussieKB]

Is there anything that doesn’t annoy you?

I will be in England in April and May, maybe I will bump into you on the course or at the 19th hole and I can tell you in person, but please keep posting on LIV as I love the effect it has on people, bit like TDS

 

[Deleted member 1147]

I will be in England in April and May, maybe I will bump into you on the course or at the 19th hole and I can tell you in person, but please keep posting on LIV as I love the effect it has on people, bit like TDS

Tenancy Deposit Scheme?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I will be in England in April and May, maybe I will bump into you on the course or at the 19th hole and I can tell you in person, but please keep posting on LIV as I love the effect it has on people, bit like TDS

Happy to arrange a game if you are not too far away. As a fellow grump I’m sure we’d get along just fine on a golf course

Life would be boring if we all had the same opinion.

 

[AussieKB]

I am interested to hear of any of your trainee pro's or pro's if they are anti LIV, out here I have not heard one who does not think LIV is good, and I have played about 50 different courses since LIV started.

Have yet to hear from the Pro's who have got onto a tour of any kind say they were sorry that LIV came along, am sure they are happy to have a chance now.

Only Pro's I hear who are anti LIV are already playing on a Tour and are wealthy.

 

[Mel Smooth]

I am interested to hear of any of your trainee pro's or pro's if they are anti LIV, out here I have not heard one who does not think LIV is good, and I have played about 50 different courses since LIV started.

Have yet to hear from the Pro's who have got onto a tour of any kind say they were sorry that LIV came along, am sure they are happy to have a chance now.

Only Pro's I hear who are anti LIV are already playing on a Tour and are wealthy.

The pro at the youths club hates LIV - often see him making derogatory comments on Twitter - like BIM, he's a Leeds United fan - maybe there's something in that.
The pro at my club thinks it's a great concept - he played college golf in Georgia and correctly points out that golf often is a team sport - and sees the potential in LIV.