Bucktaylor64
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Many players could do similar! How many have?
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Bucktaylor64
Medal Winner
Destruction of the American Bias Tour! I've said for years a global series is needed! PGA Tour is learning that people outside the US deserve to see top golf! DP World Tour is seen as a feeder nowadays!
RichA
Well-known member
Are you sure about your maths there? I make it about £9.50 per person and he'd have nothing left.
Captain_Black.
Well-known member
There are those who seem to enjoy LIV & look upon it as a breath of fresh air & there are those who view it as merely exhibition golf.
For me nothing beats the interest of who makes the cut, who is in the final groups on a Sunday, the thrill of watching who sinks the winning putt on the 18th.
If a LIV tournament was on near me, I'd have zero interest in attending.
I've watched it on UTube & it just leaves me cold.
I don't blame players for defecting for life changing money, but I do think that the tour will win out in the end.
For me nothing beats the interest of who makes the cut, who is in the final groups on a Sunday, the thrill of watching who sinks the winning putt on the 18th.
If a LIV tournament was on near me, I'd have zero interest in attending.
I've watched it on UTube & it just leaves me cold.
I don't blame players for defecting for life changing money, but I do think that the tour will win out in the end.
Red devil
Well-known member
I agree, excellentThis is an excellent take on the current state of golf.
Mens Professional Golf Doesnt Deserve Our Respect or Attention
Jon Rahm's switch to LIV Golf is just the latest twist in the soap opera that is men's professional golf. With greed and dishonesty rampant across the game, Golfshake's Kieran Clark explains why he has lost respect and affection for the sport at the highest level.www.golfshake.com
evemccc
Well-known member
And that simply is the tipping point into ‘respectability’
This is an excellent take on the current state of golf.
Mens Professional Golf Doesnt Deserve Our Respect or Attention
Jon Rahm's switch to LIV Golf is just the latest twist in the soap opera that is men's professional golf. With greed and dishonesty rampant across the game, Golfshake's Kieran Clark explains why he has lost respect and affection for the sport at the highest level.
Some great aspects to the article but some holes in it too. Although it clearly makes mention of what the PGAT has done to the European tour, and lesser tours, down the years it fails to draw comparisons with Rahm’s defection to LIV to the fact that pro’s from around the world have been have been lured to the PGAT for years. Having enticed those pro’s it had a 15(?) event rule whereby they must play a minimum of 15(?) events on the PGAT. Ballesteros fell foul of the rule as he refused not to attend what he considered to be the European Tour’s blue ribbon events.
Where are those blue ribbon events now, and where are the pro’s that would have helped those events retain their status? And who forced through their scheduling, including restricting where those pro’s played?
I have no problem with pro’s chasing big money and ensuring their families don’t want for anything. I have little sympathy for the PGAT because of its own financial muscle it’s exerted on the lesser tours for donkey’s years - sauce for the goose.
My concern about LIV is what it might morph into if/when it becomes the dominant player.
And then there’s the moral issues in Saudi. What goes on there is not nice by any stretch of the imagination. There’s no getting away from that. Whatever improvements they have made are nowhere near close to being good enough. Should sport be used to fight for change, e.g. excluding them as South Africa was excluded? I’m not clever enough to determine how effective that would be. BUT if the moral arguments are going to be used, 56000 prisoners are on death row in the USA - I can’t remember how many were executed last year. Absolutely Saudi needs to change but so does the USA.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Yeah, lots of decent points.This is an excellent take on the current state of golf.
Mens Professional Golf Doesnt Deserve Our Respect or Attention
Jon Rahm's switch to LIV Golf is just the latest twist in the soap opera that is men's professional golf. With greed and dishonesty rampant across the game, Golfshake's Kieran Clark explains why he has lost respect and affection for the sport at the highest level.
Also thought his earlier piece also had plenty
When Has The PGA Tour Ever Done What is Best For Golf
PGA Tour Commissioner Jay Monahan has confirmed that they are against the golf ball rollback proposed by The R&A and USGA, saying that it's not in the best interests of golf. But Golfshake's Kieran Clark questions when the tour has ever done what's right for the game?
Swango1980
Well-known member
You almost make it sound like the other tours, like European Tour, are Saints. I'm pretty sure if they had the biggest audience and backing from sponsors, then they'd do everything to grow their own tour. They'd look to attract all the best global players, including Americans, onto their tour.
That is life. The PGAT aren't exactly doing anything nobody wouldn't expect. They've managed to generate huge interest in fans, got bigger and bigger broadcasting and sponsorship deals as a result and grown over the years. If it had been a bad thing, fans would hate it, they wouldn't have generated that revenue and they'd have failed.
The Premier League attracts more and more of the world's best players. Is that bad for football, or is it a sign that the Premier League has generated huge interest across the globe?
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Hard to believe that a definitive agreement is going to be achieved in 22 days.
With Rahm leaving, others rumoured to be going and long term sponsors like Wells Fargo announcing they are pulling out their sponsorship from the Tour.
Any potential PE investors will be concerned with these recent developments.
Also there is a DOJ anti trust investigation around previous behaviour still hanging over the tour.
All this leaves the PGAT on the back foot.
With Rahm leaving, others rumoured to be going and long term sponsors like Wells Fargo announcing they are pulling out their sponsorship from the Tour.
Any potential PE investors will be concerned with these recent developments.
Also there is a DOJ anti trust investigation around previous behaviour still hanging over the tour.
All this leaves the PGAT on the back foot.
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
Not one individual alone grows the game himself.
He probably has grown the game in Spain more but Spain already has others that have done it consistently over the years.
Globally Golf is always growing,it’s a great sport,mentally and physically.
There is so much money in golf ,even more now, but there’s always been 100s of millions.
Greed has always been there.
Someone is offering these players life changing amounts,it probably is very hard to turn down.
Unfortunately the gap between the top 20 and the rest is widening.
Chucking money at ridiculously wealthy golfers when others struggle is a sure fire way to widen the gap even more.
As I said yesterday I watch a lot less golf these days,purely down to not being able to watch Hypocritical players driven by greed.
As with Football when there’s too much money in sport the sport becomes secondary.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
The value of the PGAT is dropping to the the PIF / PE with each passing day.
Allegedly there was a Billion dollars on the table from the PIF as a settlement fund to the PGAT players for their loyalty to the tour - in addition to the 2 Billion already offered - but nothing came of the offer...
Finau the next to go across? Another popular player who draws a following.
D-S
Well-known member
I think they (the Pros and the organisers) are lucky that the game of golf is currently still in a boom that has absolutely nothing to do with the Pro game whatsoever.
Rather than 'growing the game' this unseemly wrangling and greed between very rich men has turned more people off the Professional game.
The losers are the fans of the Professional game and the Professional game is fortunate that they don't have any real influence on clubs and normal golfers (the game of golf for most people) as, if they did, they would be shrinking it.
Rather than 'growing the game' this unseemly wrangling and greed between very rich men has turned more people off the Professional game.
The losers are the fans of the Professional game and the Professional game is fortunate that they don't have any real influence on clubs and normal golfers (the game of golf for most people) as, if they did, they would be shrinking it.
Barking_Mad
Well-known member
This is an excellent take on the current state of golf.
Mens Professional Golf Doesnt Deserve Our Respect or Attention
Jon Rahm's switch to LIV Golf is just the latest twist in the soap opera that is men's professional golf. With greed and dishonesty rampant across the game, Golfshake's Kieran Clark explains why he has lost respect and affection for the sport at the highest level.
Good piece.
It's just an unsavoury mess. These guys know the price of everything and the value of nothing. As the article says it's doubtful where the game is really being grown. It just looks like a splitting of fans into two groups, one being niche numbers in an event backed by Saudi billions.
For golfers already set up for life (and the generations of family coming after them) to make this out like they're joining to grow the game is so disingenuous it's barely worth commenting on.
Rahm is probably looking at $15m+ a year on just the interest alone, after tax. Not including any legal avoidance that's open to him.
He could give that interest away each year to good causes and do more to grow the game than playing 54 holes with some music playing in the background.
Just entitled, self absorbed idiots. YMMV.
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Mel Smooth
Hacker
Jon Rahm on the Fairway to Heaven podcast this week - explains the motives for his decision - and clearly knows and expects the criticism he’ll get.
PNWokingham
Journeyman Pro
couldn't get passed the scripted "money has never been a driving factor for you"! What utter horse dung
Does the motuve involve money ? Or is he really just smitten for playing team golf for the Toros or Chipbaits or whatever ?
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Try harder, you’d have seen Rahm talk about how the money played a big part in his decision process.
PNWokingham
Journeyman Pro
Try harder, you’d have seen Rahm talk about how the money played a big part in his decision process.
anybody who thinks money was not 99% of the reason for going is deluded. i can't fault him for that (i would probably do the same given that a tour merger/ harmony solution will innevitably follow soon) but a bit more honesty rather than a scripted showboating podcast would have won him more fans.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I think we all know it was 100% the reason
If LIV promised to match what he got on PGAT it would have been 100% no. If they offered him double what he earns on PGAT, it would have been 100% no.
But offer him 450 million, plus all winnings he is likely to earn, then they met his price. Presumably 300 or 400 million wasn't enough for him. From a business perspective he has to be given a pat on the back. From a golf perspective, cheerio Jon. Sad, but true
