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[Beezerk]

Pretty sure Tiger turned down $800 million

He doesn’t need to sign, he gets multi millions every year from the PGA for doing sweet bugger all

 

[Bdill93]

He doesn’t need it. Just obviously doesn’t care that he’s being used as cover for human rights atrocities. Same as dj and brooks and all the other multi millionaire scumbags who just wanted more.

Prem footballers don't need 300k a week but they get it. Its the world of modern sport.

 

[Bdill93]

Pretty sure Tiger turned down $800 million

Rumoured yeah. But that's the GOAT whos almost 50 and probably has a bank balance of that already.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

For the record for all the people on socials bringing up Seve in the Rahm debate.

Seve is my idol, not golf idol, my sporting idol, he is the reason I started playing golf.

Make no mistake Seve would have signed for Liv.
He loved playing golf round the world for more appearance money and hated the PGAT.

It's the reason he loved the Ryder Cup so much.

 

[Beezerk]

And fair play to them. Except the scumbags that play for Newcastle.

Ronaldo, Neymar, Henderson etc etc?

 

[Mel Smooth]

And fair play to them. Except the scumbags that play for Newcastle.

They'll all be scumbags when they go to the Saudi World Cup though, right? Gary Lineker, all the players, the fans that travel - scumbags?

 

[Mel Smooth]

By the way, we don't know how much Rahm has got, or what the funds are for. It may be that he's been given $450 million - but that might be to set up his team - invest in players, support network etc.
I very much doubt he's just trousered over half a billion quid and that's the end of it.

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Let’s be honest with ourselves,nobody on this forum really has a clue what is actually going on by he scenes on either tours.
Everything is speculation.
Not true? then go back to the start of this thread and read some comments it really is quite funny reading how many got it all wrong.

Rahm joining is massive,only Rory joining would be bigger.
I suspect and only guess more big names could follow,however there’s not room for everyone.
The PGA is certainly weakening slowly.

U-turns are happening, morals are going out the window,money is overtaking the History of the game.

Me personally I have started to watch less golf and that will probably continue until it all comes back together in someway shape or form.

I struggle a bit with where morality comes into it as a criticism of Rahm. The PGA Tour aren't a saintly bunch, they're just protecting their own interests. Saudi cash is flooding the game on both sides. Players get rich and a better lifestyle (fewer tournaments, focus on the majors) by taking the LIV cash. The PGA Tour want them to stay to line their own pockets.

I'm not sure I'd stay with the PGA Tour right now if I were a pro golfer.

 

[BrianM]

Of course - they’re all complicit.

Same as all the ladies playing the European Tour sponsored by Saudi Aramco for their 5million......

 

[Canary_Yellow]

He doesn’t need it. Just obviously doesn’t care that he’s being used as cover for human rights atrocities. Same as dj and brooks and all the other multi millionaire scumbags who just wanted more.

I agree with you, but the PGA Tour is going to be awash with Saudi cash too, isn't it?

 

[Beezerk]

yeah… not the same at all obviously.

Those women are being used but don’t have the same options financially. They have been put in an invidious situation.

A little bit like the Newcastle players, money aside for some obviously.
It’s not their fault the club was sold to the Saudis and I wouldn’t expect every player to suddenly jump ship.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

yeah… not the same at all obviously.

Those women are being used but don’t have the same options financially. They have been put in an invidious situation.

If the money is dirty, it doesn't get cleaner simply because the recipient has less of it.

Where does the line get drawn? If sponsors are form SA, if sponsors are big in SA. Money, business, sport, it's a worldwide thing now. If we did 6 degrees of separation, excluding Kevin Bacon on this occasion, I'm sure it would not take long to get to Saudi or other questionable regimes, China for example.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Do you ever play shotgun starts Swango, or do you strop round the clubhouse telling everybody how you can't stand the format whenever the committee suggest having one....

Genuinely, it's your choice what you watch but the Shotgun start does not make it unwatchable imo

I’m playing a shotgun start on Sunday. The prize is a turkey. No world ranking points though. Which makes me angry

 

[Swango1980]

They'll all be scumbags when they go to the Saudi World Cup though, right? Gary Lineker, all the players, the fans that travel - scumbags?

Generally, no, not at all. But this is where you refuse to see context of any argument, and the blinkers take over.

If you are wanting to compare golfers to footballers, you shouldn't do so by comparing footballers going to the Qatar or Saudi World Cup. Because they are not abandoning mainstream football for the money, they are going there because that is where the events are located. It is the officials that should be blamed, if anyone, for selecting that venue. Just like few golf fans criticized golfers for playing in things like the Race to Dubai. If the season event was called the Race to Grimsby, and just as prestigious then they'd go there as well.

The better comparison is looking at the footballers who went to the football league in Saudi Arabia. Just like LIV golfers, the general feedback from fans for those footballers has not been positive. They've probably been criticised just as much as LIV golfers, maybe more simply because football is a more popular sport. And certainly many have been labelled as has beens.


So, if you are able to put things in context, then you'll see the consistency.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Oh it’s a mess and no mistake. But this is just more deflection - Rahm is 1 degree of separation from it, yeah? He’s being paid directly to be a mouthpiece for one of the worst regimes on earth. He doesn’t care that women in SA are considered property. And neither do the majority on here by the sound of it.

In an ideal world Saudi Arabia would be ostracised in the same way South Africa was until they are forced to treat people equally. But they’ve got tons of money and it’s only women being oppressed so the world doesn’t care!

Saudi aren't the only country that oppresses women, the list is pretty lengthy and would affect a good chunk of the world. Does bringing sport to countries like Saudi, laying down what is expected if Saudi wants events, not help to change their views?

Incidentally, Amanda Stavely is one of the people running Newcastle now. Saudi owned, a female in a senior position there, pretty much number 2 at the club.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Generally, no, not at all. But this is where you refuse to see context of any argument, and the blinkers take over.

If you are wanting to compare golfers to footballers, you shouldn't do so by comparing footballers going to the Qatar or Saudi World Cup. Because they are not abandoning mainstream football for the money, they are going there because that is where the events are located. It is the officials that should be blamed, if anyone, for selecting that venue. Just like few golf fans criticized golfers for playing in things like the Race to Dubai. If the season event was called the Race to Grimsby, and just as prestigious then they'd go there as well.

The better comparison is looking at the footballers who went to the football league in Saudi Arabia. Just like LIV golfers, the general feedback from fans for those footballers has not been positive. They've probably been criticised just as much as LIV golfers, maybe more simply because football is a more popular sport. And certainly many have been labelled as has beens.


So, if you are able to put things in context, then you'll see the consistency.

So your context is it’s ok to take Saudi generated wealth as long as you don’t take it directly from the Saudis themselves?

 

[Swango1980]

So your context is it’s ok to take Saudi generated wealth as long as you don’t take it directly from the Saudis themselves?

If you ever actually bothered reading my comments before, you'd realise that I understand exactly why players go to Saudi Saudi Arabia, and for that reason I'm not critical of them. Some people are, as they think they are supporting human rights abuses. I absolutely disagree with that, because I'm sure they don't support those abuses at all, and I also feel that by going there they actually highlight those abuses even more to us (after all, we are constantly talking about it), and that is SA want to save a bit of money in the future when they invest in global businesses, it would be a hell of an idea to improve their human rights abuses.

So, your comment is clearly not the context of where I'm at, and isn't really relevant anyway to the general comparison between footballers and golfers when we are discussing general fan reaction, which is what I had just been talking about.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Saudi aren't the only country that oppresses women, the list is pretty lengthy and would affect a good chunk of the world. Does bringing sport to countries like Saudi, laying down what is expected if Saudi wants events, not help to change their views?

Incidentally, Amanda Stavely is one of the people running Newcastle now. Saudi owned, a female in a senior position there, pretty much number 2 at the club.

I’ve made this point before on this thread, the Saudis have to change their position in human rights, discrimination etc. Their aspirations to be a world economic and tourism hub won’t succeed if they are executing people because of their sexuality.
If you study KSA, you can see these changes starting to be implemented - so while people (quite rightly) call out the Saudis for their HR issues, we should also acknowledge that they recognise they have issues that need addressing.
The country is the base of an outdated religion (aren’t they all?) that drives their legal system - they live by the Quar’an - and they won’t discard that overnight.
It’s a shame we can’t do political discussion, particularly on this topic as it’s very relevant.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Prem footballers don't need 300k a week but they get it. Its the world of modern sport.

The difference with Premier league footballers is that it's money that's being generated by the sport. The players themselves are the main reason that the top clubs are getting so much money from TV deals, sponsorship etc so why shouldn't they get their percentage of that money? With LIV it's a country with trillions of dollars throwing their cash around with no concern about making a profit or even breaking even.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

Wow that is a poor comment by any standards.

Mod edit: Original comment removed.