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They sell way more team merch than you think they would at events but do they then wear it away from the event ?
Given the strong opinions on both sides probably not a good idea in the USA or UK ?
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Given the strong opinions on both sides probably not a good idea in the USA or UK ?
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I didn’t ask how much merch they sell. And I very much doubt it’s as much as you think across all events as there have been very few people at some. Maybe in Spain or Australia they will sell a lot.
Does anyone actually support these teams? We were led to believe they would be worth billions, yet they struggle to get any kind of sponsorship.
Mel Smooth
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RANGEGOATS FTW. 
WGCRider
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The Rangegoats are pure nonsense! Just wait till the Stingers get hold of them on the highveld.RANGEGOATS FTW.
No. Nobody does. Even Bryson's mother wouldnt know what team he is with. Or possibly that he is even in a team at all.
There are no verified cases of anyone, anywhere in the world, supporting a LIV team. Why would anyone of sane mind do so ?
Nobody is watching LIV. Sponsors need views to convert to customers. Nobody watching, no sponsorship.
My LIV viewing was limited to the 'interesting' ball movement in Chase's hole in one until a few weeks ago when I was tipped off that Bryson's celebration on his teams win this year was worth a look as an all time low in cringe. It certainly was. I recommend it. The faux delight is quite a sight. David Brent levels of cringe.
mikejohnchapman
Challenge Tour Pro
I think there are a couple of points here - if you have a franchise model then how about England vs Australia? England vs France Texas vs New York etc. The Hundred is going through similar growth pains.
The other point is I suspect the people in this forum aren't their intended audience - similar dynamic to test cricket vs T20. Having attended a couple of LIV events it's different - not better of worse - just different. People who watch test and county cricket are probably unlikely to easily adapt to the Hundred and yet both can sustain a following.
Golf isn't a team game (currently) but it's interesting that both the new innovations are team based.
mikejohnchapman
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Well the events are generally well attended and the merch. sells out. Lots of football merch. out there worn by people who never attend a match.
Swango1980
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Exactly. Not much LIV merchandise worn by people who have never attended a LIV event. I'd expect LIV merchandise to sell at the actual LIV events, people like a souvenir
Mel Smooth
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Swango1980
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Why would they? No-one would buy it
The website has quite a range of stuff. Companies don’t make that sort of investment without doing market research. It might be seed money in the hope of generating sales but they’re certainly not waiting on business just happening.
I hope the team concept takes off. It’s new, and as others have said it will appeal to a different demographic.
I’m a Test cricket/county cricket follower but also like the IPL and T20. Why can’t both versions of golf tour be appreciated? Why does it have to be an either/or binary choice?
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I feel like I should support the Majesticks because ot the
angle. But I root for the young Latin lads of Torque.
There my team..
Mel Smooth
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This.
The Majors.
2 or 3 PGAT events.
2 or 3 DPWT events
6 or 7 LIV events
That's a list of what I'd make an effort to watch in some capacity - although I definitely watched a lot more of LIV due to it's availability on YouTube and the LIV apps.
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It's interesting that LIV is the easiest/cheapest golf to watch online yet it has the lowest viewing figures.
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whoa whoa.
diehard Fireballs fan. My father's father was a fan, my father was a fan, and so I am a fan. It's ingrained in me.
/s
Mel Smooth
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Interesting viewpoints here, I've cut and paste them for easier reading.
I've felt all along that Monahan was making a series of bad decisions and calls - this is a good summary of why his time as PGAT commissioner, is nearly over...
Tigers comments yesterday were very telling...
Jay Monahan is out as Commissioner of the PGA Tour Hate him or love him, Jay Monahan has backed himself into a corner with no escape. According to sources at the highest levels of golf, he’s finished as PGA Tour Commissioner as soon as the Framework Agreement is executed (or not). Tiger said today he has confidence in Monahan but turned around and then talked about the players’ frustrations with transparency and their involvement in Tour decisions. That perfectly explains why Monahan is gone. First, a leader can’t survive if they are not trusted by stakeholders in their organization. Jay Monahan has undermined and lost trust with three critical groups that sealed his fate. Group One: Players Who Went to LIV Monahan implemented a scorched earth campaign against players who wanted to play at LIV events. He cynically started a narrative that LIV players somehow were condoning the attacks on the World Trade Center and the death of Jamal Khashoggi. In a sleazy and crafty PR operation, he dragged 9/11 victims and their families into golf, leading families to send a letter to LIV players expressing “their outrage for participating in the new league” and that players were “betraying” the United States (never mind that PIF is invested everywhere, and the US can stop it if they choose). He easily got the lazy golf media to go along with the storyline. The PGA Tour hired Clout to trash LIV players, most notably
@philmickelson
in a vicious PR campaign. But secretly, in one of the vilest and most scum worthy ironies, Monahan did all of this when just a year earlier, he was included in a series of emails (exposed in court filings by
@DesertDufferLLG
) trying to get the Saudis to bail out the DP World Tour. Yes, getting investment from the very people he was now trashing. With these revolting actions, LIV players in a merged organization would never trust him to lead. Group Two: PGA Tour Players & EmployeesMore importantly than the players who went to LIV, he broke the trust of the PGA Tour players. In addition to getting them to buy into the anti-Saudi narrative asking, “Will you ever have to apologize for being a member of the PGA Tour?” he threatened players with sanctions for going to LIV and fears of monetary fines. He orchestrated threats of losing OWGR points going to players leaving the Tour (which happened to the LIV players). Many PGA players gave up big paydays from LIV and he cost them fortunes. Then, in one of the most stomach turning and repulsive acts of any U.S. CEO, Monahan secretly negotiated with PIF when he realized the gig was up. Jimmy Dunne came to the Tour and saw the light, so he started the negotiations. A truce with LIV (and PIF) was negotiated but Monahan didn’t tell the players about it. They were shocked, stunned, and angry at Monahan when it was made public. Remember, the PGA Tour is a trade organization that’s supposed to represent those players’ best interests. Employees at the Tour are disillusioned as well and morale is low. Reports say communication in the organization is dysfunctional. In a telling repost on X, the Tour’s Senior VP of Communications, Joel Schuchmann reposted
@ProGolfCritic
calling for all the current heads of pro golf to step down. https://twitter.com/progolfcritic/status/1701659743360802925… Of course, he abruptly took the repost down. Maybe it was a Freudian slip, but he was showing the feelings of many (if not most) employees at the PGA Tour. When marquee players like Jon Rahm and Xander Schauffele openly question Monahan’s leadership (among others,) there’s no way that Monahan will ever fully regain the trust of the players. For that reason alone, he is doomed as Commissioner. Group Three: Television, Vendors, and SuppliersInterestingly the third group might not readily seem obvious. Jay Monahan used relationships forged over decades to hurt LIV golf as much as possible. He threatened the people who do business with the PGA Tour, making it clear that if they worked with LIV that they wouldn’t get the Tour’s business moving forward. Many of them acquiesced. They gave up business possibilities and TV deals. They all climbed on board the anti-Saudi bandwagon believing Monahan’s dribble that the Tour would squash LIV golf. LIV players not getting OWGR points (by design) lifted players into the top 30 that never would have reached those heights. This forced the television networks to pay higher revenue to the Tour when the fields weren’t as strong as contemplated by the agreements. This can’t be sitting well with the networks, and they are likely not happy. Embarrassingly, the Golf Channel has been ignoring LIV golf and should have been reporting more robustly and airing the results and highlights of LIV but were leveraged as part of the anti-LIV PR campaign. Now with the merger, none of these stakeholders will ever look at the Tour the same or feel like they are dealing in good faith if Monahan leads the organization. Jay Has to Know ThisIn the end, I think Jay Monahan knows deep down that he must go and signaled this when he admitted he thought of not even returning to the Tour from his leave of absence. Practically speaking, there isn’t really anyone else that could step in at this juncture, so it makes sense for him to temporarily stick around. According to sources, that’s soon going to change.
I've felt all along that Monahan was making a series of bad decisions and calls - this is a good summary of why his time as PGAT commissioner, is nearly over...
Tigers comments yesterday were very telling...
Jay Monahan is out as Commissioner of the PGA Tour Hate him or love him, Jay Monahan has backed himself into a corner with no escape. According to sources at the highest levels of golf, he’s finished as PGA Tour Commissioner as soon as the Framework Agreement is executed (or not). Tiger said today he has confidence in Monahan but turned around and then talked about the players’ frustrations with transparency and their involvement in Tour decisions. That perfectly explains why Monahan is gone. First, a leader can’t survive if they are not trusted by stakeholders in their organization. Jay Monahan has undermined and lost trust with three critical groups that sealed his fate. Group One: Players Who Went to LIV Monahan implemented a scorched earth campaign against players who wanted to play at LIV events. He cynically started a narrative that LIV players somehow were condoning the attacks on the World Trade Center and the death of Jamal Khashoggi. In a sleazy and crafty PR operation, he dragged 9/11 victims and their families into golf, leading families to send a letter to LIV players expressing “their outrage for participating in the new league” and that players were “betraying” the United States (never mind that PIF is invested everywhere, and the US can stop it if they choose). He easily got the lazy golf media to go along with the storyline. The PGA Tour hired Clout to trash LIV players, most notably
@philmickelson
in a vicious PR campaign. But secretly, in one of the vilest and most scum worthy ironies, Monahan did all of this when just a year earlier, he was included in a series of emails (exposed in court filings by
@DesertDufferLLG
) trying to get the Saudis to bail out the DP World Tour. Yes, getting investment from the very people he was now trashing. With these revolting actions, LIV players in a merged organization would never trust him to lead. Group Two: PGA Tour Players & EmployeesMore importantly than the players who went to LIV, he broke the trust of the PGA Tour players. In addition to getting them to buy into the anti-Saudi narrative asking, “Will you ever have to apologize for being a member of the PGA Tour?” he threatened players with sanctions for going to LIV and fears of monetary fines. He orchestrated threats of losing OWGR points going to players leaving the Tour (which happened to the LIV players). Many PGA players gave up big paydays from LIV and he cost them fortunes. Then, in one of the most stomach turning and repulsive acts of any U.S. CEO, Monahan secretly negotiated with PIF when he realized the gig was up. Jimmy Dunne came to the Tour and saw the light, so he started the negotiations. A truce with LIV (and PIF) was negotiated but Monahan didn’t tell the players about it. They were shocked, stunned, and angry at Monahan when it was made public. Remember, the PGA Tour is a trade organization that’s supposed to represent those players’ best interests. Employees at the Tour are disillusioned as well and morale is low. Reports say communication in the organization is dysfunctional. In a telling repost on X, the Tour’s Senior VP of Communications, Joel Schuchmann reposted
@ProGolfCritic
calling for all the current heads of pro golf to step down. https://twitter.com/progolfcritic/status/1701659743360802925… Of course, he abruptly took the repost down. Maybe it was a Freudian slip, but he was showing the feelings of many (if not most) employees at the PGA Tour. When marquee players like Jon Rahm and Xander Schauffele openly question Monahan’s leadership (among others,) there’s no way that Monahan will ever fully regain the trust of the players. For that reason alone, he is doomed as Commissioner. Group Three: Television, Vendors, and SuppliersInterestingly the third group might not readily seem obvious. Jay Monahan used relationships forged over decades to hurt LIV golf as much as possible. He threatened the people who do business with the PGA Tour, making it clear that if they worked with LIV that they wouldn’t get the Tour’s business moving forward. Many of them acquiesced. They gave up business possibilities and TV deals. They all climbed on board the anti-Saudi bandwagon believing Monahan’s dribble that the Tour would squash LIV golf. LIV players not getting OWGR points (by design) lifted players into the top 30 that never would have reached those heights. This forced the television networks to pay higher revenue to the Tour when the fields weren’t as strong as contemplated by the agreements. This can’t be sitting well with the networks, and they are likely not happy. Embarrassingly, the Golf Channel has been ignoring LIV golf and should have been reporting more robustly and airing the results and highlights of LIV but were leveraged as part of the anti-LIV PR campaign. Now with the merger, none of these stakeholders will ever look at the Tour the same or feel like they are dealing in good faith if Monahan leads the organization. Jay Has to Know ThisIn the end, I think Jay Monahan knows deep down that he must go and signaled this when he admitted he thought of not even returning to the Tour from his leave of absence. Practically speaking, there isn’t really anyone else that could step in at this juncture, so it makes sense for him to temporarily stick around. According to sources, that’s soon going to change.
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...and what did Tiger say?
AussieKB
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Tigger said he only wants to play once a month.....
maybe he should play LIV golf.
maybe he should play LIV golf.
LincolnShep
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I'm in a golf society that plays once a month. He could join us, but he'll need to come as a guest of a member first.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
He said a lot more than this - perhaps this is the most relelevant comment.
Woods was later asked about his opinions of Monahan and the job he’s done. “I think Jay has been a part of the direction, he understands what happened prior to that can't happen again and won't happen again, not with the players that are involved and not with the player directors having the role that we have,” Woods responded. Given the straightword, and less than endearing, remarks, Woods was asked if he still had faith in Monahan.
“That was part of why I came on to the board is I did have faith in Jay and in what he could do going forward and what can't happen again,” Woods said.
Monahan is finished - he won't come back from the lies he's tried to sell to all the players, let alone Tiger and Rory.
