LIV Golf

[Mel Smooth]

Yet another sign the framework agreement could be falling apart.

A number of PGAT members applied and were given permission to play in the Liv Qualification Event.
Reportedly among the people signed up for LIV “Q-school” include a Major Champ, multi-time Tour winner, a top 100 player, and some former decorated Ams.

Now it is being reported that the PGAT is threatening suspension if they take part.

Surely if we are all coming back together there is no need for the PIF to offer huge signing bonuses to come and play their tour or threaten PGAT players with suspensions ??

Another example of the poor and inconsistent leadership that we regularly see from the PGAT - I'm amazed there hasn't been more discontent from the players to be honest.


Or, they've duped their own players into signing up and are now forcing their hands to withdraw - to discredit the qualification event - or face sanctions from the tour.

Either way, it's poor from them. They even used Rory as a sacrificial lamb though, so what can we expect

 

[Backsticks]

Yet another sign the framework agreement could be falling apart.

Strong indicator that the PGAT and the alternative investors to the PIF are making progress, and thus LIV not being brought into the PGAT's orbit. And the policy that has succeeded well for them over the last 15 months of isolating LIV is being reinforced.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Strong indicator that the PGAT and the alternative investors to the PIF are making progress, and thus LIV not being brought into the PGAT's orbit. And the policy that has succeeded well for them over the last 15 months of isolating LIV is being reinforced.

Turning it into a money battle against the PIF is a really bad idea.

 

[TigerBear]

The way the PGAT handled all of this has been appalling, and they're own profiteering and greed coming to the fore at the expense of those players who stayed loyal to them speaks volumes.

Don't blame the likes of Rham who now maybe considering jumping ship for Saudi riches and especially if the format is changed.

If Liv comes out top, it will change the sport for the worse.

 

[Mel Smooth]

The way the PGAT handled all of this has been appalling, and they're own profiteering and greed coming to the fore at the expense of those players who stayed loyal to them speaks volumes.

Don't blame the likes of Rham who now maybe considering jumping ship for Saudi riches and especially if the format is changed.

If Liv comes out top, it will change the sport for the worse.

The end product of LIV and the PIF investment is to make the game truly global, with big events being played across the continents - it may or not be 54 holes / shotgun start etc when the dust has all settled, but I genuinely can't see how the sport will be worse for having all the best players in the world playing around the world throughout the year. I'll accept some people have an issue with the source of funding - but there are many aspects of the PGAT's finances that are dubious at best - the money in golf really is a seperate discussion point..


LIV from the outset wanted something that would mesh with the big events on the PGAT and the Majors - that would have meant some of the low key PGAT events suffering - there are too many of them anyway. Clearly the PGAT wouldn't accept that their 'product' was flawed and stood firm - but we already know they can't sustain it. LIV could go on for years and years and years funded by the PIF - but they won't need to - The PGAT is heading straight for the iceberg, and time is running out to change course.

 

[PNWokingham]

The end product of LIV and the PIF investment is to make the game truly global, with big events being played across the continents - it may or not be 54 holes / shotgun start etc when the dust has all settled, but I genuinely can't see how the sport will be worse for having all the best players in the world playing around the world throughout the year. I'll accept some people have an issue with the source of funding - but there are many aspects of the PGAT's finances that are dubious at best - the money in golf really is a seperate discussion point..


LIV from the outset wanted something that would mesh with the big events on the PGAT and the Majors - that would have meant some of the low key PGAT events suffering - there are too many of them anyway. Clearly the PGAT wouldn't accept that their 'product' was flawed and stood firm - but we already know they can't sustain it. LIV could go on for years and years and years funded by the PIF - but they won't need to - The PGAT is heading straight for the iceberg, and time is running out to change course.

what aspects of the PGAT's finances that are dubious at best?

 

[Mel Smooth]

what aspects of the PGAT's finances that are dubious at best?

Are they not under investigation from the DOJ?

 

[Dando]

The end product of LIV and the PIF investment is to make the game truly global, with big events being played across the continents - it may or not be 54 holes / shotgun start etc when the dust has all settled, but I genuinely can't see how the sport will be worse for having all the best players in the world playing around the world throughout the year. I'll accept some people have an issue with the source of funding - but there are many aspects of the PGAT's finances that are dubious at best - the money in golf really is a seperate discussion point..


LIV from the outset wanted something that would mesh with the big events on the PGAT and the Majors - that would have meant some of the low key PGAT events suffering - there are too many of them anyway. Clearly the PGAT wouldn't accept that their 'product' was flawed and stood firm - but we already know they can't sustain it. LIV could go on for years and years and years funded by the PIF - but they won't need to - The PGAT is heading straight for the iceberg, and time is running out to change course.

Golf is already global

 

[wjemather]

Golf is already global

But the top of the professional game is not.

 

[Swango1980]

But the top of the professional game is not.

But there are big, high quality events like we have seen recently in Hong Kong and Australia. Seems pretty global at the top of the professional game, so I'm told

 

[Dando]

But the top of the professional game is not.

So the tours don’t play around the world?

 

[ColchesterFC]

But the top of the professional game is not.

Isn't that decided by market forces? The top of the professional game is played where there is the most interest and where the most money can be made. I know that PIF aren't bothered by losing money at this stage but surely at some point they have to want to turn a profit. Simply putting on an event in another country with a handful of top players doesn't guarantee interest in the event. Look at the Saudi football league as an example. Much like with LIV they've thrown big money at players to attract a handful of the top players and a bunch of players reaching the end of their careers to go and play football over there but for a lot of the games they're playing in front of crowds that some League 2 clubs are getting in the UK. The average crowd is just under 8500 with some games not even attracting 1000 fans. That's not sustainable by any stretch of the imagination. The LIV golf event in Australia was probably their most successful in terms of crowds and interests but how much interest is there likely to be in their events in Singapore and Saudi next year? Even LIV have 5 of their 12 events in the US with one each in Spain, UK and Australia which are the established golfing countries, so for 8 out of their 12 events they're not taking the game to a new global audience.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

How so? He was runner-up in Hong Kong just 2 weeks ago.
Also, this isn't the pro golf thread.

Correct, it’s LIV and a LIV golfer has missed the cut.
The query being about whether he has come into the tournament a little undercooked.
The Hongkong result doesn’t mean he's consistently playing well, just as this result doesn’t mean he’s generally struggling.

 

[wjemather]

So the tours don’t play around the world?

Tours do. LIV aside, the top of the game does not.

 

[Swango1980]

Tours do. LIV aside, the top of the game does not.

Except when Cameron Smith plays. Then he is playing against a quality field, allegedly

 

[Dando]

Tours do. LIV aside, the top of the game does not.

LIV isn’t “top of the game”

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Liv pays 1.5 million fine so Bernd Wiesberger can relaunch his career on DPWT.

LIV Golf pay record £1.5m fine so Bernd Wiesberger can relaunch DP Tour career

Exclusive: Ryder Cup player lost his LIV place but will need to wait until at least mid-January to return to home Tour

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Mel Smooth]

Another LIV player at The Open next year.
Good win for Dean on the DPWT, he’s been a solid player since he switched to LIV.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

How come so many Liv Golfers were playing in DPWT events in SA and Oz.?

Thought they were banned ?

Were they sponsor invites ?

 

[Slab]

How come so many Liv Golfers were playing in DPWT events in SA and Oz.?

Thought they were banned ?

Were they sponsor invites ?

Various routes in but essentially the events in SA & Oz aren't solely DPWT events and since the other co-sanctioning tours for these events haven't banned LIV players, it means if a LIV player qualifies on the other tours criteria or gets invite from them, then they can play