LIV Golf

[Mel Smooth]

Swango, the PGAT is for sale to the highest bidder. That’s clear, whether the buyer is the Saudis remains to be seen.

Until that deal is concluded don’t expect to see any big names moving across, but there will still be some that make the move who are definitely relevant in the upper echelons of golf.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Never under estimate the lure of big $$$$

If the framework agreement fails which many think it will then the PIF will fire crazy money at the top players.

If top 10 players like Cantlay and Xander want paying for the Ryder Cup then I dont see them being against joining Liv.
I think a solution for Liv players to qualify for majors will be reached in some way eventually.

Also the PGAT have given the green light to take the money because they were prepared to take it themselves and the loyalty to the tour has taken a hit after they blindsided the players.

An agreement is the best solution for all players and fans , however to think that an agreement = Liv golf disappearing is probably unlikely if Yassir doesnt want that to happen which has been suggested multiple times.

 

[Swango1980]

Never under estimate the lure of big $$$$

If the framework agreement fails which many think it will then the PIF will fire crazy money at the top players.

If top 10 players like Cantlay and Xander want paying for the Ryder Cup then I dont see them being against joining Liv.
I think a solution for Liv players to qualify for majors will be reached in some way eventually.

Also the PGAT have given the green light to take the money because they were prepared to take it themselves and the loyalty to the tour has taken a hit after they blindsided the players.

An agreement is the best solution for all players and fans , however to think that an agreement = Liv golf disappearing is probably unlikely if Yassir doesnt want that to happen which has been suggested multiple times.

Is this not just very much speculation though, that doesn't amount to much. I thought Cantlay said the rumours about him wanting to be paid for the Ryder Cup were categorically false. I suspect, despite losing, the American players loves being part of it and would want to be very much part of it again. If so, joining LIV could provide an obstacle to that. And, as Cantlay and Xander didn't join LIV last year, what would change their minds to joining it next year?

Yes, there was indeed a lot of frustration / anger about the PGAT blindsiding players. Would that be enough to see some of those big players to join LIV? Motivation, revenge? Just because the PGAT decided to go for a deal, it is a pretty big risk to then take the "moral" high ground to say "well if you can do it, so can I". Sure, they can do it, but they are still likely to face all the same disadvantages they would have done if they made the move last year. The PGAT are hardly going to say "yeah, fair enough, you got us there. Feel free to join LIV and we'll welcome you back with open arms anytime you want to play with us". And there is the whole OWGR issue and Major qualification

 

[wjemather]

Is this not just very much speculation though, that doesn't amount to much. I thought Cantlay said the rumours about him wanting to be paid for the Ryder Cup were categorically false. I suspect, despite losing, the American players loves being part of it and would want to be very much part of it again. If so, joining LIV could provide an obstacle to that. And, as Cantlay and Xander didn't join LIV last year, what would change their minds to joining it next year?

It's easy to get it wrong given the standard of some journalism/reporting/headline writing. Cantlay denied it had been a topic for discussion in the team room either during the Ryder Cup or in the lead up to it; he avoided directly answering the question as to whether he thinks they should be paid.

Yes, there was indeed a lot of frustration / anger about the PGAT blindsiding players. Would that be enough to see some of those big players to join LIV? Motivation, revenge? Just because the PGAT decided to go for a deal, it is a pretty big risk to then take the "moral" high ground to say "well if you can do it, so can I". Sure, they can do it, but they are still likely to face all the same disadvantages they would have done if they made the move last year. The PGAT are hardly going to say "yeah, fair enough, you got us there. Feel free to join LIV and we'll welcome you back with open arms anytime you want to play with us". And there is the whole OWGR issue and Major qualification

That's because the PGAT's position never had anything to do with the source of the money, they just cynically and hypocritically exploited it for moral support and sympathy from people too stupid to know better.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Look at the top players that haven't agreed to sign for Rory and Tigers Sim golf league, and that's the pool that could see some moving over.

 

[LincolnShep]

Why are you using the font Veranda Size 9, when the default seems to be Tahoma Size 10!?

This might be the most controversial thing anyone has done in this thread

I'm a rebel.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Well deserved…..

 

[Bratty]

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Well deserved…..View attachment 50120

As far as I can tell, this was the only nominee...!

 

[AussieKB]

Am arranging to take a bus load over from Perth next year....

 

[RedEyes]

I tried to watch it on Sunday, but ended up watching Rick v Grant instead, pretty much sums it up.

 

[Dando]

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As far as I can tell, this was the only nominee...!

Yep, as the only nominee it’s nothing to shout about but the LIV clowns won’t care

 

[Captainron]

On holiday in the Western Cape and LIV is shown a bit on television here. Chatting to a few folk in the bars and they don’t mind LIV because a few Saffa’s play on there.

Maybe it’s because the dregs of European golf went across and it was a bit of “good riddance” that makes folk less inclined to watch/support it?

 

[Backsticks]

I think we will have to acknowledge Mel's good use of irony on this one !

 

[Mel Smooth]

On holiday in the Western Cape and LIV is shown a bit on television here. Chatting to a few folk in the bars and they don’t mind LIV because a few Saffa’s play on there.

Maybe it’s because the dregs of European golf went across and it was a bit of “good riddance” that makes folk less inclined to watch/support it?

That's a bit harsh isn't it?

Some of them have been great representatives of European Golf over the last few decades.

 

[Backsticks]

That's a bit harsh isn't it?

Some of them have been great representatives of European Golf over the last few decades.

Not harsh.
'Last few decades' is the key element. i.e. now past it. These are not the guys LIV wanted. They wanted toe world best, but couldnt tempt them. So had to make do with what they could get. In that sense, dregs, is correct. I would acknowledge they are top quality quasi-champions tour golfers though that some people will enjoy seeing play.

 

[BrianM]

On holiday in the Western Cape and LIV is shown a bit on television here. Chatting to a few folk in the bars and they don’t mind LIV because a few Saffa’s play on there.

Maybe it’s because the dregs of European golf went across and it was a bit of “good riddance” that makes folk less inclined to watch/support it?

Probably a wee bit harsh in my opinion.
It's definitely fair to say that Westwood, Poulter etc have put there best days behind them now, but what cant be argued is the service they gave the European Tour, although that works both ways.
On the support it subject, Id say it's probably because of how it's financed, there seems to be very extreme views on this.
LIV gets the bad press on how it's financed but look at the Ladies Saudi Aramco Series, Formula 1, Newcastle United and probably loads more that I'm missing, they don't seem to get half the grief LIV does.

 

[Captainron]

That's a bit harsh isn't it?

Some of them have been great representatives of European Golf over the last few decades.

Not at all. So few top 100 players went and those inside that number were going down faster than a KFC bucket when Glyn is involved.

Has beens and never beens the lot of them.

 

[PJ87]

Probably a wee bit harsh in my opinion.
It's definitely fair to say that Westwood, Poulter etc have put there best days behind them now, but what cant be argued is the service they gave the European Tour, although that works both ways.
On the support it subject, Id say it's probably because of how it's financed, there seems to be very extreme views on this.
LIV gets the bad press on how it's financed but look at the Ladies Saudi Aramco Series, Formula 1, Newcastle United and probably loads more that I'm missing, they don't seem to get half the grief LIV does.

isnt that because all those listed are established things? so some newcastle fans might boycott but the majority will just take the rough with the smooth. with LIV being all brand new it needs to get that interest and its easier for people to go yeah cant be bothered with that

 

[wjemather]

Not at all. So few top 100 players went and those inside that number were going down faster than a KFC bucket when Glyn is involved.

Has beens and never beens the lot of them.

How many is "so few"? I'd say it's a safe bet that it's far more than you think/hoped, and you'd be surprised how few were declining.

 

[GB72]

That's a bit harsh isn't it?

Some of them have been great representatives of European Golf over the last few decades.

I think it is both harsh and fair. They were, in the main, past it but they remained household names. If you are going for a new audience, most people will have no idea who is ripping it up on the DP Tour and many will even have no idea who most of the PGA Tour is but the will know Westwood and Poulter.