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[Mel Smooth]

Not sure about funny.

But it has worked out that the PGAT is secure, LIV is the subject of a study on whether it has any future, Monahan is the CEO of the ET, PGAT, and LIV if he sees a role for it. And Norman is out of a job.

Nothing in that last sentence is accurate - go and do some fact checking.

If the deal doesn't go through, the PGAT is toast, and if it does...
Al Rumayyan will always protect LIV, or a hybrid of it from which the current series spawns into.
Monahon will answer to Al Rumayyan = if he lasts long enough in his position on the PGAT - which to be honest, he has done NOTHING to justify since all this started.
Norman doesn't look like a man concerned over his future.

 

[Beezerk]

Nothing in that last sentence is accurate - go and do some fact checking.

If the deal doesn't go through, the PGAT is toast, and if it does...
Al Rumayyan will always protect LIV, or a hybrid of it from which the current series spawns into.
Monahon will answer to Al Rumayyan = if he lasts long enough in his position on the PGAT - which to be honest, he has done NOTHING to justify since all this started.
Norman doesn't look like a man concerned over his future.

He’s a troll, your personal troll. My advice would be to put him on ignore

 

[Mel Smooth]

Greg Norman has had run in’s with the PGA tour for at least 30 years. Is he at fault this time? Who knows, and I don’t really care. For me, he’s always been too spikey. Great golfer to watch when he was ‘destroying’ courses with his swashbuckling play but off the course… nah, not one of my favourites.

Norman was the ideal candidate for the roll though - he won't give a care who likes or dislikes him, he wanted to get pro golfers getting the money he felt they deserved - and he's done it.
If that means shaking up or even breaking up the PGAT then so be it, if there's a better way to present the game to the public, then people should endeavor to find it, and unfortunately the existing tours didn't see that as an issue.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

But it has worked out that the PGAT is secure, LIV is the subject of a study on whether it has any future, Monahan is the CEO of the ET, PGAT, and LIV if he sees a role for it. And Norman is out of a job.

With respect that's not true and the PGAT is far from secure right now.
I have done a lot of research.

The framework agreement has articles that both sides are happy to negotiate to try and move to a definitive agreement.
None of it is decided or fact its just what each side were happy to have in there to discuss.

That does include that the PGAT commissioner would be in charge of all new Co including liv.
It should also be noted that in that framework is that as majority investor PIF have in there that Al Rumayyan has Vito rights so he has power over decisions on Livs future if he is out voted on the board.

The PGAT spin machine just concentrated on their plus point after the merger decision was announced to try and placate their players who felt let down.
People read this and believed it as already fact and decided when actually it's just an article in the framework agreement.

All that is in place and agreed now is an agreement to try and find an agreement - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE.

Both sides have points in the framework agreement that gives control to them over the future of their own tours.

So for an definitive agreement to happen one side is going to have to give some ground to the other.

As PGAT board members said under oath in the senate hearing.
No spin when your under oath as its a criminal offence.
"If an agreement can't be reached Liv could finish the PGAT in 5 years"
I think its fair to say that quote paints a picture far from secure.

Hopefully an agreement will happen that secures the PGATs future.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The last 18 months has shown a number of things


The first things is money

Money making peoples principles and moral go out the window


Money can buy everything


And no sport is immune to sports washing

If any of the other tours had come up with ways to play the game a bit differently then just like the 6’s etc it wouldn’t have attracted the negative stuff

But LIV, PIF , Greg Norman - looked to get a foot into the sport and the only way to do that was with money - and obscene amounts , the sport was already rich but PIF coming in just throwing millions around was different.

There was a lot of underhand tactics at the start with recruiting players etc and that just started the toxicity of everything and it’s just gone in from there

The whole thing Imo is disgusting, the fact people are allowing Saudi Arabia to buy the sport imo is the worst thing that can happen - it’s not going to make the sport better it’s just going to make some golfers richer

In some ways I hope the whole thing collapses and the players look at themselves

Just got to hope the majors stay out of it all

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Also while Greg Norman is in the recent thread.

The PGAT asked for the removal of Greg Norman to be an article in the framework agreement.
PIF refused for it to be in there and thus is not part of something to be agreed upon while trying to move to a definitive agreement.

Although it does beg the question if an agreement is agreed then the new Co will be controlled in some way by the board so why would he be needed.

This was also commented on by Ron Price in the senate hearing as in that position would no longer be needed.

So if an agreement does happen its most likely Greg won't be part of it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683812983821021186

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683813060710998018

 

[Depreston]

With respect that's not true and the PGAT is far from secure right now.
I have done a lot of research.

The framework agreement has articles that both sides are happy to negotiate to try and move to a definitive agreement.
None of it is decided or fact its just what each side were happy to have in there to discuss.

That does include that the PGAT commissioner would be in charge of all new Co including liv.
It should also be noted that in that framework is that as majority investor PIF have in there that Al Rumayyan has Vito rights so he has power over decisions on Livs future if he is out voted on the board.

The PGAT spin machine just concentrated on their plus point after the merger decision was announced to try and placate their players who felt let down.
People read this and believed it as already fact and decided when actually it's just an article in the framework agreement.

All that is in place and agreed now is an agreement to try and find an agreement - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE.

Both sides have points in the framework agreement that gives control to them over the future of their own tours.

So for an definitive agreement to happen one side is going to have to give some ground to the other.

As PGAT board members said under oath in the senate hearing.
No spin when your under oath as its a criminal offence.
"If an agreement can't be reached Liv could finish the PGAT in 5 years"
I think its fair to say that quote paints a picture far from secure.

Hopefully an agreement will happen that secures the PGATs future.

The latest version had all that removed though or am i wrong? dangerous ground giving veto rights

 

[Backsticks]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683812983821021186

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683813060710998018

Greg leaves LIV ?

 

[MACM85]

Not following Liv closely I’m a bit perplexed by that. Can anyone explain how settling for 2nd instead of pushing for a playoff helped munoz’s team?

Guessing he was worried if he went for it and got a bogey that would have dropped his team into second and cost the other players a bit of cash

 

[Pin-seeker]

So what’s happening with the merger/takeover?
Seems to have gone a bit quiet,apart from Rory still having digs & his fan boys looking to argue with people on social media

 

[simsini]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683812983821021186

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683813060710998018

Nobody will be getting ranking points at this rate.

https://www.bunkered.co.uk/golf-news/pro-golfer-cheats-in-pga-tour-event/

 

[Deleted member 21445]

What a click bait headline that is even for golf magic

 

[Mel Smooth]

So, we're back this week - must say I'm looking forward to being able to watch a golf event that isn't drawn out over 4 longs days - The Open was uninspiring from a TV viewers point of view and was obviously pretty much a foregone conclusion before a ball was hit on the Sunday, despite being an excellent demonstration by Harman of how to play a tricky golf course in tricky conditions.

The chatter this week, and last with regards to LIV has been around the future of LIV players, with some pro PGAT media platforms still questioning how any LIV players will be sanctioned for returning to the PGAT.
Mickelson has come out and laughed off the notion that any even want to, and Rahm seems to agree with him - I think Rahm will be one of the first to appear in a LIV event once the dust settles on the merger agreement - something I've believed for some time. Even without the merger I think he would have been tempted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685444915365572608

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686136457532944384

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Didn’t Reed say he wants to play on all tours?

So either Phil or Reed isn’t telling the truth!

 

[wjemather]

Didn’t Reed say he wants to play on all tours?

So either Phil or Reed isn’t telling the truth!

They were making completely different points and at different times; probably best not to conflate them.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Didn’t Reed say he wants to play on all tours?

So either Phil or Reed isn’t telling the truth!

Reed has always played plenty of tours, he's playing in an International Series event this month in the UK. Doesn't mean he wants to go back to the PGAT though - I'm sure he and lots of other players will when they get all this nonsense out of the way and they aren't banned, but there's no way they'd be willing to accept the kind of sanctions that the Fried Egg are suggesting, which is of course what Phil is referring to.

 

[wjemather]

So, we're back this week - must say I'm looking forward to being able to watch a golf event that isn't drawn out over 4 longs days - The Open was uninspiring from a TV viewers point of view and was obviously pretty much a foregone conclusion before a ball was hit on the Sunday, despite being an excellent demonstration by Harman of how to play a tricky golf course in tricky conditions.

Back on the wind-up? You might gain more traction by not making ridiculous statements such as this.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Back on the wind-up? You might gain more traction by not making ridiculous statements such as this.

Not at all - and there's nothing ridiculous about it. I don't have the time to sit and watch long drawn out tournaments - one of the reasons I enjoy LIV - I can sit down and watch pretty much all of it without sacrificing an entire weekend or longer.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It shouldn’t be a surprise if a good number of players would like LIV to continue- many of them are being rewarded handsomely without having to worry too much about performing on the course

They wouldn’t want to return to a tour where there is the potential for their earnings to drop due to the competitiveness being a lot higher and potentially missing out on earnings


But there will no doubt be players that would love to be back on the main tours - gaining ranking points for their performances, entry into majors and Ryder Cups

It’s interesting to see after the recent stuff with PIF wanting to get involved in the PGAT that the likes of Mickleson are keeping up the toxicity and very much on the defensive- I wonder if it’s because that if LIV does stop he may have nowhere to go apart from maybe the Asian Tour - he certainly burnt his bridges