Mel Smooth
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On what grounds are you coming to the conclusion that LIV will stop?
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On what grounds are you coming to the conclusion that LIV will stop?
It has no role has a top level golf tour. LIV the brand could find a role for itself as an exhibition of semi-seniors. But that would still be the stopping of LIV as originally envisaged.
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Because once PIF are the main financial sponsers on the PGAT there is no need for LIV , it’s served it’s purpose for them and it’s hugely unsustainable as a tour that relies purely on money from a single source
PGAT will have some events that will encompass a team score and maybe a shorter format with the top players but I suspect that LIV itself and GN will stop
Saudi and PIF wanted a foothold into golf and they used LIV and the huge money to find a way in and the PGAT have succumbed to the riches of Saudi
LIV has a very small market and viewership and it’s not value for money for the Saudi , it generates next to very little income and costs hundreds of millions to run
wjemather
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We've heard all these speculative ravings (both sides) already, countless times. Just go back a few pages if you want to go through it all again, but please don't waste everyone else's time by repeating it.
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Mel Smooth
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From what I’m seeing, I think you’re wrong.
The PGAT in its current guise is nowhere near the commercial foothold that the Saudis need - and the images etc we’ve seen of Al-Rumayyan with plenty of LIV people suggest the international team format isn’t going anywhere soon.
LIV has a relatively small market because it is new, but It’s already positioned itself behind the PGAT and above all the other tours in terms of interest. Given its infancy, that’s pretty impressive.
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We will see what happens - all the other stuff about franchises being sold and Nike buying teams , and big media deals and sponsership deals haven’t come true so it’s not a surprise if people how doubts about an entity that relies solely on PIF money
The other tours can stand using their income from their media deals and sponserships - they may not be as “rich” but then a tour isn’t based on how rich it can make a player
Can’t keep saying it’s new as the reason why it doesn’t commercially move forward - plenty of other new ventures within sports move forward - take the 100 as an example, or take Woods and Rory’s new team thing - teams are already being bought , sponsers , commercial deals and media rights already being done and it’s not even started yet
I don’t know what’s used to judge where a tour sits but I don’t see it being ahead of the ET just because it has more money.
You seem to have conveniently missed the part of Rahms interview where he said he laughs at rumours of joining LIV and has no interest in playing the format.
Why did you skip that bit?
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Because he just copies whatever he sees on Twitter that supports his view.
wjemather
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Other than bickering, that's pretty much all that both Mel and Phil do on this thread. It's tiresome.
Mel Smooth
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I wasn’t aware of it at the time of posting.
The podcast is over 2 hrs long and in Spanish, and while I can understand some of what is being discussed, I didn’t have time to sift through the whole interview or the translated transcript from Handicap 54.
But I still stand by my comments.
AussieKB
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I expect a lot of people on this site to have entered into the new LIV Fantasy League, as it seems they are abscessed with LIV Golf.
fenwayrich
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The word 'abscess' is certainly an appropriate metaphor for LIV golf in many people's eyes.
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"The PIF’s governor Yasir Al-Rumayyan is keen for the growth to continue, and is targeting AUMS of around SR4 trillion by end of 2025"
SR=Saudi Riyals
That's 1,066 Trillion US Dollars.
PGAT need to make sure they are getting a piece of that with an agreement and not going up against it.
"The PIF’s governor Yasir Al-Rumayyan is keen for the growth to continue, and is targeting AUMS of around SR4 trillion by end of 2025"
SR=Saudi Riyals
That's 1,066 Trillion US Dollars.
PGAT need to make sure they are getting a piece of that with an agreement and not going up against it.
Mel Smooth
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Tiger Woods will fix it.
He's already come out and said he has complete faith in Jay, which is quite clearly a lie - otherwise I doubt he'd need to be there on the board.
Maybe it was in his notes of "things to say to the media", which er, Jay had typed up for him earlier...
The next Netflix series should be pretty good viewing again.
He's already come out and said he has complete faith in Jay, which is quite clearly a lie - otherwise I doubt he'd need to be there on the board.
Maybe it was in his notes of "things to say to the media", which er, Jay had typed up for him earlier...
The next Netflix series should be pretty good viewing again.
LIV fans (I know, is that even a thing ?), will be extra hyped about any events, as only the feeling that the next one may be the last one can bring. I thought they had stopped actually. Its a couple of months since there was one at all. Could LIV have a future as an all women tour ? With the PIF and the PGAT attracting all the top rank LPGA stars to LIVLADIES ?
Mel Smooth
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I'm super hyped about this..
Two of the greatest visionaries currently in the game of golf.
Two of the greatest visionaries currently in the game of golf.
How very convenient! Perhaps digest a full story before rushing to post next time?
So if you stand by your original comments then you must think Rahm is a liar?
Mel Smooth
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I'm just being honest buddy - I explained why I didn't digest it, it's over 2 hours long and in Spanish..
Rahm might well be playing his cards to his chest, if he's telling a few porkies to maintain his value - that's fair enough. Or he might genuinely have no interest in playing on LIV, again fair enough.
Likewise, I'm sure Woods has a valid reason for stating that he has confidence in Monaghan to lead the PGAT going forwards - because Jay has done very little recently to suggest that is the case.
But you still digested and shared the bits you wanted to hear to suit your narrative?
The Woods comparison is irrelevant to my point (and also based entirely on narrative and opinion rather than fact) - however you dress it you think Rahm is a liar so why dodge around admitting that? Or just maybe admit you were wrong on Rahm?
The psychology of bias is genuinely fascinating but it does concern me when the extremes of it permeate through to mainstream, everyday people like it is here rather than in the far corners of weirdos on the internet. We fully live in an era of fake news.
i think I'll be crapping in my hands and clapping that day
