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The DPWT is on its knees and has been in decline for decades.
Needs to fight its corner in the merger negotiations.
Needs to fight its corner in the merger negotiations.
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wjemather
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This isn't really true. Very few players went to the US, and most returned to play a decent number of tournaments, before 2016 (and 2018). This is when the minimums were changed, facilitating an exodus of players outside the top-50 of the OWGR. The Rolex Series was created as a lure to tempt them back for a few elevated events, but it hasn't really worked.
Springveldt
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I said that last year, earlier in this thread. The European Tour really bottled it, they could have broken free of the reliance on the PGA Tour to fund some of their events, been backed by the PIF and then the LIV players would have had tournaments to go play in to earn world ranking points. LIV would have benefitted and the European Tour as well as I'm sure some of those Europeans based in the US would have come home if they could chase the LIV money and the ET world ranking points. Thomas Peters already said he joined LIV as he didn't want to move the US full time.
Instead they played it safe and decided to stick to being a feeder tour for the PGAT. I wonder if Pelley regrets that decision now.
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Why, it’s a feeder tour to the PGAT and seems to have accepted that.
The days of it being comparable (if it ever was) to the PGAT are long gone.
As for The British Masters. It would do better if it was held somewhere that was at least reasonably interesting, with a decent host.
Unless European countries start offering the kind of environment US colleges offer, the top talent will keep going over there.
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You will never get two “main tours” - there just isn’t the market for it anymore especially when it became easier for players to hop around the globe
The likes of Faldo , Olazabel , started to play more in the States in mid 90’s then more europeans started to come through the college system in the 00’s ( Donald etc ) then players like Rose , McDowell and a Poulter moved across to the US and then Rory and Co followed 10 years or so - even the likes of Harrington moved over - so top Europeans have been moving over to the US a lot for the last 15 years at least , and it’s the same now as it was 10 years ago - the best European players are going to split their time across both tours playing more in the US because it’s easier for them - it will continue that way with players coming through college etc ,The ET is all over the world -
The ET does fill that gap around the world and does provide a high level of golf , entry into majors and yes it’s going to be a step below the PGAT.
ET itself had issues when it couldn’t sponsers to get events going and attract the top players - chicken and egg scenario
And I grew up watching nothing but the Majors and any ET event that was on the Telly - matchplay , PGA at Wentworth etc
You will never find a way for the ET to match the PGAT - it doesn’t have the ability or scope to challenge the PGAT - even if it had PIF money
And in some ways I’m glad - you can’t just have the focus on professional golf be about the top 50 players , there needs to be tours and events for the rest
The likes of Faldo , Olazabel , started to play more in the States in mid 90’s then more europeans started to come through the college system in the 00’s ( Donald etc ) then players like Rose , McDowell and a Poulter moved across to the US and then Rory and Co followed 10 years or so - even the likes of Harrington moved over - so top Europeans have been moving over to the US a lot for the last 15 years at least , and it’s the same now as it was 10 years ago - the best European players are going to split their time across both tours playing more in the US because it’s easier for them - it will continue that way with players coming through college etc ,The ET is all over the world -
The ET does fill that gap around the world and does provide a high level of golf , entry into majors and yes it’s going to be a step below the PGAT.
ET itself had issues when it couldn’t sponsers to get events going and attract the top players - chicken and egg scenario
And I grew up watching nothing but the Majors and any ET event that was on the Telly - matchplay , PGA at Wentworth etc
You will never find a way for the ET to match the PGAT - it doesn’t have the ability or scope to challenge the PGAT - even if it had PIF money
And in some ways I’m glad - you can’t just have the focus on professional golf be about the top 50 players , there needs to be tours and events for the rest
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Lots of positives and negatives to keep everyone happy.
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Some good points there and a lot of them people have mentioned
The shotgun start does allow for quicker format and to be able to plan the day but it’s a strict timetable compared to if people at a normal event can chose to go in the morning or the afternoon. And to get more golfers on the course you would need to remove the shotgun start
It’s not a surprise that the more you pay the better viewing you get - but to only have Corporate or expensive tickets on first and around the 18th isn’t great but knowing centurion there are other good viewing points
All the stuff about music etc that’s just down to personal preferences
But he is spot on imo in regards the last point and that’s been key for many
The events are meaningless at the moment , they are rich golfers getting richer when they win or even when they don’t win , it doesn’t seem to matter , there is no attachment too it
Even when a new event appears on the PGA or ET it has something attached to it
The level of money the players get is what people associate it with it ,
I don’t know how they will find a way to make the events mean something to the fans and maybe even the golfers.
Jason.H
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Not long ago a deal with the PGA Tour was done and the PGATour have a 40 odd % stake in the DPWT
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Documents shed new light on PGA Tour-LIV deal, proposed roles for Tiger and Rory
Documents released by a Senate subcommittee Tuesday contain new details about the roles that LIV hoped Rory McIlroy and Tiger Woods would fill.
eu.usatoday.com
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What’s your take on the content of the article? Or have you not been told yet?
Documents shed new light on PGA Tour-LIV deal, proposed roles for Tiger and Rory
Documents released by a Senate subcommittee Tuesday contain new details about the roles that LIV hoped Rory McIlroy and Tiger Woods would fill.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
It seems to be pretty clear that, if this merger goes ahead, Greg Norman is out of a job....
So what happens if it doesn't go ahead..? What does Greg do now?
LIV goes on....would you want to be running it knowing that your Boss was more than prepared to fire you a while back..?
So what happens if it doesn't go ahead..? What does Greg do now?
LIV goes on....would you want to be running it knowing that your Boss was more than prepared to fire you a while back..?
sweaty sock
Hacker
Just saw on insta from sean zak maybe, tiger and rory to own a liv team, and play 10 events al rumayyan to be member of r and a and augusta..... controversial.
Rory must be fuming!!
Rory must be fuming!!
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Tiger ain't playing 10 events in the next 5 years let alone next year....
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I believe that was what was asked of by PIF but wasn’t agreed on - along with a number of other requests like the top 24 LIV players go into each major etc
It seems a list of “best of both worlds” with it being a dream sheet from PIF .
A lot of amusing demands
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Greg Norman is not important in this whatsoever.
Who cares if he goes or not, its a side issue to the larger issue of the future of professional golf.
Watch this senate meeting to fully understand the precarious position the PGAT found itself in.
It's very survival was in doubt in as little as 5 years says Jimmy Dunne.
Watch from 44.30
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Who cares if he goes or not, its a side issue to the larger issue of the future of professional golf.
Watch this senate meeting to fully understand the precarious position the PGAT found itself in.
It's very survival was in doubt in as little as 5 years says Jimmy Dunne.
Watch from 44.30
LIVE: Senate holds hearing on the PGA Tour -LIV Golf merger and the future of golf — 07/11/23
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PJ87
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Does Gregg really care what anyone but Gregg thinks of himself anyways?
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You have missed the most important point.
This shows Yassir is fighting Liv's corner in the merger negotiations.
He ain't rolling over and just happy to have his chair at the top table as plenty of people said.
He has THE MONEY.
The PGAT has said today in front of the US Senate if they did nothing the Tour could be gone in 5 years because they can't compete financially.
Yassir wants Liv to be a part of the new golf world but most importantly could walk away at any time and turn the financial screw to whatever extent he wants.
This must NOT happen, The PGAT must be preserved in some way, they have to come to an agreement..
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All those demands were turned down - he can request as much as he wants
He may well not want to have the LIV money wasted but PGAT is also in a strong position right now
It’s established, it’s got the sponsers , media deals , ranking points and most of the top players in the world - it’s all there set up
It has everything that LIV wants and can’t get
PGAT can’t keep spending but also LIV can’t keep on losing money each year and getting nowhere
The deal to get money into the PGAT suits PIF and PGAT - once PIF is the main sponser of PGAT and he has his seat then there is no need for LIV in its current format
But there will be some sort of team event with a bit of the current LIV razzmatazz
He knows that LIV has a lot of issues that’s are going to get solved in any time soon , would he play the long game and give it 5/10 years for LIV to gain so foothold - I don’t think so personally.
LIV appears to have been a vehicle to get PGAT to the table and it’s worked and he also used Greg Norman’s vendetta against the PGAT brilliantly
Its a massive shame that golf has allowed itself to be a vehicle for sports washing and it gives me another reason to not bother watching golf outside the majors
Do you think it's had a detrimental affect on the women's game having the Saudi's run it?
Obviously it's made the ladies game richer but has it had any real effect on the game of golf, viewing figurers etc.
JonnyGutteridge
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The Augusta National membership is probably the sticking point 
