LIV Golf

[sweaty sock]

It’s all so sad. Whether Liv is strong or not, whether the experience is good or not doesn’t change the fact that it’s not competitive sport. It’s an event - it’s f1, boxing or WWE - entertaining perhaps but not sport.

And, of course, the source of the funding that’s being used to kill the sport we love is disgusting.

Totally understand the source of funding issues, I'mnot sure where it stops being a sport though? Does the best golfer not still win?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

It’s all so sad. Whether Liv is strong or not, whether the experience is good or not doesn’t change the fact that it’s not competitive sport. It’s an event - it’s f1, boxing or WWE - entertaining perhaps but not sport.

And, of course, the source of the funding that’s being used to kill the sport we love is disgusting.

I'm sorry but all money is disgusting.

We live in a country that's economy is based on house prices .. in which the rich get richer and the poor fund them

We held an empire based on owning people

No money is clean at all

 

[sweaty sock]

I'm sorry but all money is disgusting.

We live in a country that's economy is based on house prices .. in which the rich get richer and the poor fund them

We held an empire based on owning people

No money is clean at all

Some money could be clean - er....

 

[Deleted member 21784]

We don’t do that now though and the Saudis still do. So that’s a cop out

We don't have an economy based on people living in a giant pyramid scheme where the rich benefit more? And most of the times a steal of a deal is off the back of someone else's misfortune?

 

[simsini]

We don’t do that now though and the Saudis still do. So that’s a cop out

So how is the PGA Tour and European Tour any different?

Saudi International (golf) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It’s all so sad. Whether Liv is strong or not, whether the experience is good or not doesn’t change the fact that it’s not competitive sport. It’s an event - it’s f1, boxing or WWE - entertaining perhaps but not sport.

And, of course, the source of the funding that’s being used to kill the sport we love is disgusting.

It’s still competitive as such the best golfer in the event wins the competition in the same way as other golf events - it maybe shorter etc and the team stuff contrived but whoever won the recent event did so because he would have been the best golfer over the period of the tournament

 

[simsini]

The best golfer isn’t there. The winner is the best out of 40 odd guys who were invited to be there.

It’s fine as an event but it’s a sideshow to the actual sport of golf.

So any tournament between 1996 and 2014 that didn't have Tiger Woods playing was a sideshow too?

 

[sweaty sock]

The best golfer isn’t there. The winner is the best out of 40 odd guys who were invited to be there.

It’s fine as an event but it’s a sideshow to the actual sport of golf.

No you cant have that. There are only really 4 golf tournaments that fit that criteria, the majors. Every other golf tournament in the world is missing "some" of the top players.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

lol I’m happy to debate the ills of capitalism if you want but all you’re doing here is going through contortions to excuse one of the most despicable regimes on the planet.

I don't give two hoots about the Saudis. I just like golf, however it's funded doesn't bother me as every single penny in this world is blood money

 

[simsini]

To Saudi Arabia? They don’t treat women as properly or criminalise and murder LGBT people?

I was clearly referencing an event in Saudi Arabia that only a couple of years ago was on the European Tour and the PGA Tour allowed its players to play in it. Is it ok when they do it, but not LIV?

 

[simsini]

I don't give two hoots about the Saudis. I just like golf, however it's funded doesn't bother me as every single penny in this world is blood money

Exactly. There is hypocrisy everywhere.

 

[simsini]

Through their choice..

Liv picks and chooses who plays. Elsewhere the highest ranked players pick and choose their events

So Augusta National doesn't decide who plays in The Masters?

 

[simsini]

Nope also disgusting - SA should be a pariah in the civilised world.

I'm assuming then that you don't watch any professional golf on principle, as every tour has been in bed with the Saudis.

 

[sweaty sock]

Through their choice..

Liv picks and chooses who plays. Elsewhere the highest ranked players pick and choose their events

Support your right to have your views on SA. But its still sport for me.

 

[Swango1980]

Out of interest, if PIF just wanted to gain more influence in sport, and they were never likely to get a seat at the table on the PGAT, could they not have just invested directly in the European Tour?

Invest in a tour that already exists and functions, a tour that already has a fan base. Initially, their involvement would simply be financial, and this used to try and entice some big names from the PGAT. Over time, they could use their influence to discuss other changes that may appeal to golf fans, whether that be format or venue related. Give themselves time to investigate what works, and what doesn't.

Would the European Tour have accepted them with open arms?

Starting a brand new golf tour from scratch was always going to be a huge ask. Even if they seem to have got what they want now, a seat at the table with the PGAT, that seems to be in doubt as to whether it will even be realistically possible.

 

[simsini]

Play your way into the top 50 and you’re in. The best players can earn their spot. Try harder.

The Masters is still an invitational tournament. Augusta could simply change the criteria.

 

[simsini]

I consistently speak against it. What they want is people of conscience to switch off and stop doing that. It’s called sports washing.

Judging by this thread it’s been very effective.

I'm just trying to establish whether it was ok when the European Tour or PGA Tour did it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Masters is still an invitational tournament. Augusta could simply change the criteria.

It’s only “invitational” by name

Entry to the Masters is the same as all the other majors - by qualifying via world rankings or other tournaments that allow entry via positions in that tournament

 

[simsini]

It’s only “invitational” by name

Entry to the Masters is the same as all the other majors - by qualifying via world rankings or other tournaments that allow entry via positions in that tournament

The Masters is less than 100 players, a smaller field than the other majors.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Masters is less than 100 players, a smaller field than the other majors.

sorry I’m not sure the point ?

It’s still not an “invitational” as such and anyone can qualify to play in it if they meet the criteria