Barking_Mad
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Clearly not a leader of a TEAM though.
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Pin-seeker
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PJ87
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Did they not take any photos with any crowds?
Or does that not fit the agenda?
The anti Liv are so entrenched that everything must be negative
I txt my mate
"My pro didn't do awful but didn't make open qualifying final stage tied 15"
I got back an anti Liv rant about how it's tough and now their dropping they should have stayed etc etc
It was like ok wasn't even talking about Liv? Why has the subject appeared
Pin-seeker
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Lad from work went to Centurion today & said it was a good day.
What a cracking Sunday of golf.
Even if you're not a fan of the product, the golf on show was superb.
Cam Smith is going to be hard to beat at the Open if he plays like he has this week.
This is the first time I've really got the Team element of the competition, it was so close finally going down to 1 putt.
The coverage was excellent as well.
For me personally, I'd rather on the last day they all started from the 1st and finished on the 18th, no issues with the Shotgun start the first 2 rounds.
A family member was there yesterday and said he had a brilliant day as well.
All in all, I'd say it's a successful tournament in the UK this week.
Even if you're not a fan of the product, the golf on show was superb.
Cam Smith is going to be hard to beat at the Open if he plays like he has this week.
This is the first time I've really got the Team element of the competition, it was so close finally going down to 1 putt.
The coverage was excellent as well.
For me personally, I'd rather on the last day they all started from the 1st and finished on the 18th, no issues with the Shotgun start the first 2 rounds.
A family member was there yesterday and said he had a brilliant day as well.
All in all, I'd say it's a successful tournament in the UK this week.
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It was a great last day to watch and win for Cam.
Think he needs to improve his tee to green for Hoylake but boy that guys short game and putting is a joke and the reason he won.
Great for the UK spectator that there is another option to go and watch some of the best Golfers in the world in the flesh.
Liv is a completely different product, both PGAT and Liv should be viewed as completely different entity's and experience as a player and viewer.
Liv say their about bringing a new audience to golf not trying to convert the traditional audience.
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simsini
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As previously mentioned on here, I was volunteering at the event this week. It was an incredible experience from start to finish. I spent all three days by the 12th green measuring the shots as they came into the green and all putts.
The organisation of the event was excellent. They couldn't do enough for the volunteers and we were supplied with far more freebies than any other event I've volunteered at. They were even giving away the players' range signs!
At the close of play I had time each day to tour the fan village, and it was easily bigger than other events, with at least 10 interactive games and lots of free gifts for all fans with the Majestics branding. The live sets from both DJs on Friday and Saturday night were incredible too.
The quality of golf was great and the crowd was easily younger than any golf crowd I've seen.
I've volunteered for European Tour events and The Open and can say that this is the best golf event I've been to, and/or volunteered at. An incredible experience from start to finish.
The organisation of the event was excellent. They couldn't do enough for the volunteers and we were supplied with far more freebies than any other event I've volunteered at. They were even giving away the players' range signs!
At the close of play I had time each day to tour the fan village, and it was easily bigger than other events, with at least 10 interactive games and lots of free gifts for all fans with the Majestics branding. The live sets from both DJs on Friday and Saturday night were incredible too.
The quality of golf was great and the crowd was easily younger than any golf crowd I've seen.
I've volunteered for European Tour events and The Open and can say that this is the best golf event I've been to, and/or volunteered at. An incredible experience from start to finish.
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Orikoru
Tour Winner
I went for Sunday lunch with my wife at Sopwell House yesterday (hotel near Verulam golf course) and they had LIV banners up in the foyer. Anyone know what that was all about? Were some of the players and caddies staying there perhaps?? I forgot to ask the receptionist on the way out.
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CEO of AT&T resigns from the PGAT policy board. 
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"I hope, as this board moves forward, it will comprehensively rethink its governance model and keep its options open to evaluate alternative sources of capital beyond the current framework agreement."
Obviously not happy with Jay and Jimmy Dunne blindsiding them into the PIF.
Can Jay and Dunne get an agreement that will get passed by the PGAT members/players and policy board ??
Im getting the sinking feeling this merger is doomed.
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"I hope, as this board moves forward, it will comprehensively rethink its governance model and keep its options open to evaluate alternative sources of capital beyond the current framework agreement."
Obviously not happy with Jay and Jimmy Dunne blindsiding them into the PIF.
Can Jay and Dunne get an agreement that will get passed by the PGAT members/players and policy board ??
Im getting the sinking feeling this merger is doomed.
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
CEO of AT&T resigns from the PGAT policy board.
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"I hope, as this board moves forward, it will comprehensively rethink its governance model and keep its options open to evaluate alternative sources of capital beyond the current framework agreement."
Obviously not happy with Jay and Jimmy Dunne blindsiding them into the PIF.
Can Jay and Dunne get an agreement that will get passed by the PGAT members/players and policy board ??
Im getting the sinking feeling this merger is doomed.
I've no issue if it is!
I like LIV how it is to be honest - would just benefit from a few more big names/ young talented prospects
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If the merger doesn’t go through then how long will LIV stay around anyway with the rate it’s losing money
Whether people enjoy the LIv events or PGAT events or ET events doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme because as people say - money talks
Right not the other tours are sustainable with the income it brings in to pay the prize funds etc
LIV to stand up needs that money from PIF
To get those players playing it’s costing them £800mil a year in losses
Whilst Saudi have a lot of money that can’t happen every year and there doesn’t appear to be any further movement on major Telly deals or sponsorship to offset that big money given to the players.
Imagine what would happen if the players stopped being paid just play and were only given prize money and reduced to offset costs.
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
I think it will start to generate more money though, obviously just my opinion but it seems that people are now interested in their events way more than pre-merger. That wont now just disappear.
They have already said they're done giving people big contracts to move over and what's paid out already will just be associated with set up costs. Where are you finding 800m a year in losses?
$25m per event in prize money x 14 events is $350m. What is $450m going on in your mind?? The PGAT clearly isn't sustainable in its current model trying to keep up with the LIV money. That's one of the reasons why the merger came about.
I know LIV needs to generate its own income but I strongly believe its in good shape to start to do that after this season - way stronger position than 12 months ago.
Your opinion is one, mine is the other, neither are based on facts at this stage.
Do you think LIV is weaker now than it was 12 months ago?
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I think it will start to generate more money though, obviously just my opinion but it seems that people are now interested in their events way more than pre-merger. That wont now just disappear.
They have already said they're done giving people big contracts to move over and what's paid out already will just be associated with set up costs. Where are you finding 800m a year in losses?
The PGAT clearly isn't sustainable in its current model trying to keep up with the LIV money. That's one of the reasons why the merger came about.
I know LIV needs to generate its own income but I strongly believe its in good shape to start to do that after this season - way stronger position than 12 months ago.
Your opinion is one, mine is the other, neither are based on facts at this stage.
Do you think LIV is weaker now than it was 12 months ago?
Sorry it was $800mil it lost in its first year
Don’t forget onto of the prize fund there are players getting paid a lot of money as well
The prize money I believe went up and there has been some small revenue streams coming in but it’s still going to make significant losses
At the moment the other tours can cover the funds with their commercial deals but it can’t do it long term hence looking to go to PIF
It’s what make the whole thing really poor for a lot of people - Saudi want into golf as they do with all other sports , they couldn’t get in through normal channels so use LIV to financially bully the other tours - it will rewards a few golfers with a lot of money in their back pockets but ultimately they will run golf at the end of the day. Whether that ends up being a good thing or not we will have to see
I’m just hoping the majors continue to stay neutral and away from it all
pendodave
Tour Rookie
Hmmm. Every half-way objective view of the situation that I've read or listened to suggests that it's the PGA tour that's toast if it doesn't go through. Now that it's become acceptable to deal with the PIF, every single player will go over to chase the cash.
Obviously, the players could have decided not to take the Saudi money, but someone decided on their behalf that they should.
By all accounts, the enhanced purses on the pga T are not sustainable.
Obviously, this is just a collection of guesses (including my own) but it makes the most sense until the next unforeseen event strikes.
I agree that the majors at least seem just above the murkiness. But then they've increasingly provided the best test and entertainment anyway over the years, so not much change there.
simsini
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If anything, it's the European Tour that's unsustainable sadly when you look at how weak their fields are now.
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The details of it all I suspect most of us are guessing but I believe that the PGA has made a profit each year and generates around over £1.6 bn revenue - I think that what Mickleson was alluding to when - they are hoarding money instead if giving it to the players
How long that can go on for with the increased funds I guess will be determined by the level of sponsers coming in
pendodave
Tour Rookie
This article summarises the position :
A combination of CNN and WSJ reporting, so reasonably reliable.
As a TL
R, one of the quotes is "Monahan during a meeting at PGA Tour headquarters in Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida told employees that the Tour’s financial model was “unsustainable”".Whether we like it or not, money wins every time. That's why the PGAtour has killed the European tour, and it's why the Saudis will get whatever they want with the PGAtour.
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This article summarises the position :
A combination of CNN and WSJ reporting, so reasonably reliable.
As a TL
Whether we like it or not, money wins every time. That's why the PGAtour has killed the European tour, and it's why the Saudis will get whatever they want with the PGAtour.
Oh I agree that money will win - and Saudi have more money than anyone else and the end result will be them putting their money into PGA and ET and being a key player behind that
sweaty sock
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Saudi money in pga tour also means the charity tax right offs for fedex et als marketing department 'donations' etc will be gone too
