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[Deleted member 21445]

Still clear as mud.. AS NLU say its still very scant on real details

Guess the Liv guys will be peppered with questions at Valdarama this weekend.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Still clear as mud.. AS NLU say its still very scant on real details

Guess the Liv guys will be peppered with questions at Valdarama this weekend.

Exactly, the agreement pre-dates the announcement, which means all we are seeing here is what we already knew, but it's written down, rather than being spoken on a tv interview.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Having poured through the framework document Appendix 4 is very interesting

"The PGA Tour and DP World Tour will work together in an effort to determine how best to integrate team golf into the PGA Tour and DP World Tour"
That to me suggests Liv could be wrapped up and they will take some of its concept into the PGA Tour.

However later in the same appendix
"The parties (PGAT/DPWT) will conduct in good faith and use best efforts to secure OWGR recognition for Liv events and Liv players"
Well if Liv events are getting wrapped up why bother.

People on both sides can cherry pick the framework paperwork to find positive slants for their preferred tour but the truth is that its still impossible to predict whats going to happen in the new golf world if the merger happens.

PGAT position of strength is its history/heritage/strong events/PGAT brand
Livs position of strength is THE MONEY which the PGAT really needs

One thing I will say is that there is plenty of talk from both sides execs/players of whats going to be good for the PGAT or LIV but hardly anything about the DPWT.

 

[Mel Smooth]

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So what will the fields look like in the coming years?

Much the same… Stronger…. Weaker….?

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[simsini]

Only 8 players in the world's top 100 are playing at the British Masters this week, nobody in the top 30 at all, which is quite frankly pathetic. Meanwhile at Centurion Club next week, the field will be immeasurably stronger. The European Tour is making LIV golf's argument for it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Only 8 players in the world's top 100 are playing at the British Masters this week, which is quite frankly pathetic. Meanwhile at Centurion Club next week, the field will be immeasurably stronger. The European Tour is making LIV golf's argument for it.

When will people realise that not every event is loaded with all the top players , many of them do take weeks off or will be player other events around the world


There are more professional golfers than just the top 100

The event at the Belfry is a lower level event than others.


Look at the field for the Scottish Open as an example

Events have different levels

 

[simsini]

When will people realise that not every event is loaded with all the top players , many of them do take weeks off or will be player other events around the world


There are more professional golfers than just the top 100

The event at the Belfry is a lower level event than others.


Look at the field for the Scottish Open as an example

Events have different levels

The Scottish Open is co-sanctioned with the PGA Tour and used by players as warm up for The Open. The British Masters typically had much stronger fields in years gone by. See 2015 at Woburn (https://www.europeantour.com/dpworld-tour/british-masters-supported-by-sky-sports-2015/leaderboard), a quarter of the world's top 100 played that week.

The point about LIV Golf is that you are guaranteed to see the same top players play every week.

 

[Mel Smooth]

When will people realise that not every event is loaded with all the top players , many of them do take weeks off or will be player other events around the world


There are more professional golfers than just the top 100

The event at the Belfry is a lower level event than others.


Look at the field for the Scottish Open as an example

Events have different levels

This doesn't apply to LIV of course, where every event does feature some of the best players in the world - and will be the blueprint for golf going forwards if the merger is agreed by the end of the year.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Scottish Open is co-sanctioned with the PGA Tour and used by players as warm up for The Open. The British Masters typically had much stronger fields when held at the Belfry in years gone by. See 2015 at Woburn (https://www.europeantour.com/dpworld-tour/british-masters-supported-by-sky-sports-2015/leaderboard), a quarter of the world's top 100 played that week.

The point about LIV Golf is that you are guaranteed to see the same players play every week.

It’s a shame then that a good number of those top Europeans at the time are deciding the play the LIV event


As i said - the Schedules around the world mean there will always be events where the level of players will vary

The ET has over 200 players who have some level of playing rights -

It’s a shame some can’t see past just those top players and realise there are a lot of other professional golfers

 

[Slab]

Only 8 players in the world's top 100 are playing at the British Masters this week, nobody in the top 30 at all, which is quite frankly pathetic. Meanwhile at Centurion Club next week, the field will be immeasurably stronger. The European Tour is making LIV golf's argument for it.

A shame too as I thoroughly enjoyed last year’s coverage and a really exciting finish

I see they’ve upped the prize money (last year’s winner got just 300k) & they’ve given it 3 spots in The Open this year (not even the winner got in last year) but looks like it'll take a bit more work to elevate it back to bygone years to attract more of the ‘names’

 

[simsini]

It’s a shame then that a good number of those top Europeans at the time are deciding the play the LIV event


As i said - the Schedules around the world mean there will always be events where the level of players will vary

The ET has over 200 players who have some level of playing rights -

The European Tour has weak fields every week. There hasn't been a single ET event since January that has had a strong field (i.e. not a major or WGT event).

 

[simsini]

A shame too as I thoroughly enjoyed last year’s coverage and a really exciting finish

I see they’ve upped the prize money (last year’s winner got just 300k) & they’ve given it 3 spots in The Open this year (not even the winner got in last year) but looks like it'll take a bit more work to elevate it back to bygone years to attract more of the ‘names’

I agree to a point. It's interesting that Valderrama has made the same point regarding strength of field this week with LIV compared to ET.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The European Tour has weak fields every week. There hasn't been a single ET event since January that has had a strong field (i.e. not a major or WGT event).

Which is the way it’s been for decades

The players can’t play on two tours at the same time.

The top European players deserted the tour decades ago to leave it as the tour behind the PGAT - companies didn’t want to spend money increasing the prize funds to get people playing in Europe.


Players won’t play week in week out across the world - just not going to happen and because they is an event on both sides every single week there will be events where player level is lower

I agree to a point. It's interesting that Valderrama has made the same point regarding strength of field this week with LIV compared to ET.

But they won’t compare themselves to any of the stronger events on either tour - why do you think they scheduled it this week and not the week of the Scottish open

It’s ok when you have a limited field which plays once a month. Not great for all the other players outside that

 

[simsini]

Which is the way it’s been for decades

The players can’t play on two tours at the same time.

The top European players deserted the tour decades ago to leave it as the tour behind the PGAT - companies didn’t want to spend money increasing the prize funds to get people playing in Europe.


Players won’t play week in week out across the world - just not going to happen and because they is an event on both sides every single week there will be events where player level is lower



But they won’t compare themselves to any of the stronger events on either tour - why do you think they scheduled it this week and not the week of the Scottish open

It’s ok when you have a limited field which plays once a month. Not great for all the other players outside that

It's even worse now. The European Tour doesn't even have any events scheduled for the last week of July and the first two weeks of August. This should be peak season in Europe.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's even worse now. The European Tour doesn't even have any events scheduled for the last week of July and the first two weeks of August. This should be peak season in Europe.

That’s what happens when there is no funding or sponsers to hold events - chicken and egg scenario, it used to the Welsh Open around then and think an event has moved. If they can’t get someone to sponser events they can’t host them

 

[wjemather]

Which is the way it’s been for decades

The players can’t play on two tours at the same time.

The top European players deserted the tour decades ago to leave it as the tour behind the PGAT - companies didn’t want to spend money increasing the prize funds to get people playing in Europe.

"Decades" makes it sound like it's been happening much longer than in reality it has. Weakening of European Tour fields across the board is a relatively recent phenomenon, that has accelerated markedly over the last 8 years - coinciding with the minimum number of events being reduced to 5 and then just 4, allowing players below the top level to retain membership (in name only) and move to the US.

 

[simsini]

"Decades" makes it sound like it's been happening much longer than in reality it has. Weakening of European Tour fields across the board is a relatively recent phenomenon, that has accelerated markedly over the last 8 years - coinciding with the minimum number of events being reduced to 5 and then just 4, allowing players below the top level to retain membership (in name only) and move to the US.

Indeed. Keith Pelley seems on a mission to destroy the tour from the very top down.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nick Faldo delivers brutal blow to LIV Golf: 'Nobody's interested'

The British Masters host talked about a range of matters - but it was golf's political issues that had him most animated, as Alex Perry found out

www.bunkered.co.uk

Ouch

 

[simsini]

Nick Faldo delivers brutal blow to LIV Golf: 'Nobody's interested'

The British Masters host talked about a range of matters - but it was golf's political issues that had him most animated, as Alex Perry found out

www.bunkered.co.uk

Ouch

Laughable really considering the weak field at The Belfry. Why did the PGA and European Tours do a deal with LIV if nobody is interested?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Laughable really considering the weak field at The Belfry. Why did the PGA and European Tours do a deal with LIV if nobody is interested?

They haven’t done a deal with LIV

They have done a deal with PIF - the money