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Greg and Phil have been played like a fiddle.

Considering how they both like to shout their mouths at every opportunity, they have been very quiet for the last week.
 

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Greg and Phil have been played like a fiddle.

Considering how they both like to shout their mouths at every opportunity, they have been very quiet for the last week.
Are you sure ? think Phil has been proven right on a lot of things he said, plus their Bank Manager is laughing into his beer.
 
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Are you sure ? think Phil has been proven right on a lot of things he said, plus their Bank Manager is laughing into his beer.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Which ’a lot’ of things was he right about?
 

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The PGA have no more money, then all of a sudden there are big purses and no cut tournaments.....ha ha

but everyone is allowed to put their own spin on it.....
Very much like that article, and every other.

If the PGAT had the $20billion (was it) he claimed. They wouldn’t need the Saudi money.

Even if this were true. That’s one point. Not what I would call ‘a lot’!
 

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IF the deal is finalised.......

I don't think it will be. But there will be loopholes around it.

Theoretically the PGAT could just stop hosting top level events in the US (as a threat - they never would) and push all of them to "the new company" to run and manage.

PGAT continues to run KFT as the American tour and the new professional golfers tour goes global.

The US wont want to see no professional golf played there though... because you know, greatest country in the world and all that garbage
 

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... they've got nowhere else to go.
And there's the rub.
The anti competition stuff that Jay and the boys got up to has caused the legal situation which led them to the settlement...
...But the monopolist structure that they are now advocating might cause the DoJ to shut the deal down.
Oh what a tangled web etc.
If the deal falls apart, the PGAtour is toast - none of their players will stay with them after the last 2 years.
 

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And there's the rub.
The anti competition stuff that Jay and the boys got up to has caused the legal situation which led them to the settlement...
...But the monopolist structure that they are now advocating might cause the DoJ to shut the deal down.
Oh what a tangled web etc.
If the deal falls apart, the PGAtour is toast - none of their players will stay with them after the last 2 years.
Are you suggesting the loyalty card wont work a second time :unsure:
 
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IF the deal is finalised.......

Guess depends on what the detail of the deal is

A lot of it appears to be more commercial at the moment , unless the players stop it then I can’t see it not going through

And there's the rub.
The anti competition stuff that Jay and the boys got up to has caused the legal situation which led them to the settlement...
...But the monopolist structure that they are now advocating might cause the DoJ to shut the deal down.
Oh what a tangled web etc.
If the deal falls apart, the PGAtour is toast - none of their players will stay with them after the last 2 years.

It was always a monopoly before - I don’t think it matters when it comes to sports within the US , what they are proposing now appears to be just what it was before but with a financial partner coming on board
 

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I don't think it will be. But there will be loopholes around it.

Theoretically the PGAT could just stop hosting top level events in the US (as a threat - they never would) and push all of them to "the new company" to run and manage.

PGAT continues to run KFT as the American tour and the new professional golfers tour goes global.

The US wont want to see no professional golf played there though... because you know, greatest country in the world and all that garbage


The penultimate sentence in this paragraph from the statement from the US Senate crystallises how Americans view and protect the PGAT.

It’s only a ‘world tour’ when they want it to be.
 

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The interview is on Sky if you want to watch it

Also asked Garcia who said he didn’t know what’s going
Ok, I'll spell it out. Weir has made his feelings well known on this subject, and has consistently shown that he cannot be trusted to be objective or balanced - especially on Twitter.
 
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Ok, I'll spell it out. Weir has made his feelings well known on this subject, and has consistently shown that he cannot be trusted to be objective or balanced - especially on Twitter.
In an interview does that matter. Aren't you listening to the words of the interviewee?
 

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Guess depends on what the detail of the deal is

A lot of it appears to be more commercial at the moment , unless the players stop it then I can’t see it not going through



It was always a monopoly before - I don’t think it matters when it comes to sports within the US , what they are proposing now appears to be just what it was before but with a financial partner coming on board
Previous mergers of sports leagues in the US have seen laws passed by Congress exempting them from existing antitrust laws to enable them to proceed. Given how insular the US is, this seems unlikely to happen when one of the parties is not American.
 

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You seem unable to see a distinction between people who left a "job" to take the Saudi money and those who chose to stay only to see their "employer" taken over leaving them with no viable alternative "employment".

The guys who turned Saudi down now find themselves in pretty much the same invidious position the LET players did with the Aramco series.

As much as I'd love to see them give it the two fingers and walk away.... they've got nowhere else to go.
PGAT Players earn the right to play PGAT events; they are not employees. LIV players would, it seems, given what they signed up to, be employees. Individuals who signed for LIV contravened some of the rights they were to comply with and were suspended from the PGAT. The PGAT, as a non profit (!), have individuals that make decisions - both overarching and day to day (Board of Directors & Executive Team), supposedly supplemented by Player Advisory Directors and Player Advisory Council. So depending on how you want to interpret it, Dunne (or McIlroy 2.0 as Monahan calls him) essentially clarified the Player Directors and Players Council were not involved in the decision so that leaves around 16 individuals that were. That's 16 individuals that can be subjected to the same vitriolic questions, press conferences and ridicule the LIV defectors received. But also, given the rules and processes that should be followed, the Players Directors and Council should have been involved in the decision making process but, granted, not necessarily the decision. The fact they weren't consulted means the protocols have not been followed so there should be repercussions / suspensions for that (otherwise, why have Player Directors or Players Council?).

The players (PGAT) are not at fault; they may be complicit into falling into line as things move forward but that is about money - the money they were promised to 'stay' and the 'money' due to come in. PGAT players remain independent Contractors and as such, as things stand, they are independent contractors who have a choice. The 'viability' is down to money - it always was. Both the LIV defectors and now the screwed over remainers who will still stay, do so purely for the money.

There is more to come - and not just from Comical Ali Jimmy Dunne - but no-one who is speculating or giving interviews really has a clue (soundbites are so full of contradictions and wild commentary that they'd literally be safer keeping quiet).
 
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