Mel Smooth
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They simply can’t be the pinnacle events if there are players being denied entry because of where they play golf.
All the suits at the majors will be fully aware of that as well.
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All the suits at the majors will be fully aware of that as well.
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So what is the pinnacle of golf then?
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They are the pinnacle of the sport and they aren’t being “denied” entry because of where they play , not one LIV golfer has been “denied” entry into any major unless something else has happened
Oddsocks
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Until the fields are open to all I feel they’ve lost the title of pinnacle.
As we saw yesterday with the top if the crop from LIV and the PGA you have a great event, with the top liv players blocked in general from certain fields it’s impossible to label them pinnacle in my option. It’s more like the best of what’s left.
Unfortunately the introduction or birth of LIV has caused this, but it has also been compounded by the attitude of the PGA.
Unfortunately we are the golfing community are they ones who lose out
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The fields are open to all
the qualifying criteria is still the same No one is blocked from gaining qualification into any of the majors
And the PGAT has nothing to do with any of the majors
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They are not, but it’s part of the deal. The consequence of the current alternative is a fragmented sport, which in the long run is damaging. (Eg Boxing! And you’re not old enough to remember Kerry Packer
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Hoganman1
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My opinion is that most of the Liv players are playing for money. While the big names on the PGA Tour are playing for legacy. While Mickelson is in the HOF and Koepka, DJ and possibly Sergio will get in the Hall, the younger LIV players will have a harder time getting that honor. While three of the LIV players really performed well at the Masters, I wonder how they'll do in the other majors. My guess is Koepka and Cam Smith have a real shot at Oak Hill, LA and Liverpool. Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other top LIV players contend. Also, I predict that Viktor Hovland will win a major in the next two years.
That's just my opinion; I could be wrong.
That's just my opinion; I could be wrong.
Captainron
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The majors will always be the majors without the LIV players.
IJames
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Except they are not 'being denied'! They chose to forgo the opportunity - at least for a while!
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Jon Rahm proved he is the best golfer in the world.
Liv golfers put to bed the unfair and way off the mark critique that they don't care about competing in majors or winning. 3 Livers in the top 4, 12 out of 18 made the cut.
Phil Mickleson isn't over the hill after all - T2nd at age 52 and 65 final round is phenomenal.
Brooks will contend in majors going forward if he stays healthy
It was a great week for Liv Golf.
The majors know a solution to Liv Golfers path into majors has to be found because simply it's not the best playing the best otherwise which is what the majors are all about.
Bennett did the amatuer ranks proud and more.
Magnolia drive seems to have a funny effect on Rory.
Liv golfers put to bed the unfair and way off the mark critique that they don't care about competing in majors or winning. 3 Livers in the top 4, 12 out of 18 made the cut.
Phil Mickleson isn't over the hill after all - T2nd at age 52 and 65 final round is phenomenal.
Brooks will contend in majors going forward if he stays healthy
It was a great week for Liv Golf.
The majors know a solution to Liv Golfers path into majors has to be found because simply it's not the best playing the best otherwise which is what the majors are all about.
Bennett did the amatuer ranks proud and more.
Magnolia drive seems to have a funny effect on Rory.
IJames
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LIV not being an 'approved tour' would likely hamper LIV members from qualifying! As would LIV's 'we are a league, not a tour' apparent attitude!
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Imurg
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Well, if you're going down that route the #6 player, the player who's a top 10 player, the guy who's par is 67 and a former Masters champion didn't do very well either...
18 qualified - that means 30+ that didn't....and those are the ones that are either on the slide or simply not good enough.if things stay as they are the 2024 Masters will be the last that Brooks will qualify for.....
The LIV boys are missing out on the Genesis, the Players, Phoenix, API and the like...almost mini-majors with, historically, pretty decent fields.
Unless Greg told them all a bunch of massive porkies they knew exactly the consequences of what they were doing.
They've made their bed and they've got to lie in it now...
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Let’s pretend for a second Phil, Reed and Koepka were Rory and think about what the LiV PR team would be saying.
Brooks bottled it.
Phil had a back door top 10. He shot the lights out in the last round going for every shot when there was nothing on the line.
Patrick had another back door top ten, but bottled it on the last few holes when the pressure ramped up.
Brooks bottled it.
Phil had a back door top 10. He shot the lights out in the last round going for every shot when there was nothing on the line.
Patrick had another back door top ten, but bottled it on the last few holes when the pressure ramped up.
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Is playing poorly classed as losing one’s bottle?
If so, over half the field do that every week.
Oddsocks
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And Rory didn’t bottle it in the second round?
This isn’t a Rory bash as he remains one of my favourites, but Phil’s and Patrick’s good form in the last round Shows they can still cut the cloth around Augusta, the same cannot be said for Rory.
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Mickleson shot a 65 to end up 8 under and finish 2nd
Reed shot a 68 to finish 4th
Last year Rory shot a 64 to end up 7 under and finish 2nd
Why do Reeds and Mickleson good rounds shows they can cut to cloth around Augusta yet Rory’s doesn’t
What exactly did Rory bottle ? He was never ahead of anyone and struggled all game
Koepka was 12 under ahead by 2 and lost by 4 , the last person to do that was Norman in 1996 and that’s called one of the worst bottle jobs.
Mel Smooth
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The thing with Rory is - he played a couple of practice rounds at Augusta a couple of weeks back, and was crowing about how well he'd played. He sets himself up for it everytime.
Oddsocks
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LVP, i think it’s fair to say with the weather this year it was a completely different challenge.
From a PERSONAL view, Reed and Phil were far from in form coming in as complete underdogs. Rory was in form and didn’t even make the weekend show.
There’s a clear difference between Reed, Rory and Phil. Two have green jackets.
From a PERSONAL view, Reed and Phil were far from in form coming in as complete underdogs. Rory was in form and didn’t even make the weekend show.
There’s a clear difference between Reed, Rory and Phil. Two have green jackets.
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But it’s making judgments based on one tournament or even one round
If basing on Mickelson and Reed on previously winning at Augusta then fair enough but it’s all about one round of even one set of 9 holes
Rory missing the cut doesn’t mean he won’t ever win just as Reed and Mickleson having a good finish doesn’t mean they get back in the major winning circle again.
Form at times isn’t always relevant when it comes to majors , Rahm was falling out of form before the week.
Majors are always different and even more so The Masters
Rory has shown he can play very well around Augusta , he just needs to do it for four rounds. Same as if Reed and Mickelson are showing they are back etc they need to do it for more than one round
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One misnomer is that 4 good rounds are required to win at Augusta.
Only once, Cam Smith in 2020, has anyone actually had 4 rounds in The 60’s (and he didn’t even win).
So 4 good to steady rounds are required.
Rory didn’t big himself up, others did.
He has as much chance as anyone, but, just like thousands of others, it’s entirely possible he won’t win a green jacket.
