Beezerk
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Have you not read all of this thread? They're all past it, bunch of old hacks who will never win a major again
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Have you not read all of this thread? They're all past it, bunch of old hacks who will never win a major again
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The Majors were always going to invite Liv Golfers.
Ultimately not having all the worlds best golfers present would have hurt their product.
For this reason if Liv don't get OWGR points (which they will) the majors will change their qualifying criteria to make sure their fields are the strongest they can be.
Ultimately not having all the worlds best golfers present would have hurt their product.
For this reason if Liv don't get OWGR points (which they will) the majors will change their qualifying criteria to make sure their fields are the strongest they can be.
evemccc
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This would never happen but my ideal scenario would be for the majors (specifically the open as that’s the one I care about the most) to only have guaranteed spots for past winners…
Everyone else would have to go to final qualifying, along with the club pros who made it through regional qualifying
Why would having a relatively high ranking based on playing off Bermuda or poana or whatever in Florida, be relevant to links?
Having people qualify would create even more of an open appeal as ‘The Open’ — almost a links season, like the clay-court and grass-court seasons you get in tennis
It would never happen though for obvious reasons
Everyone else would have to go to final qualifying, along with the club pros who made it through regional qualifying
Why would having a relatively high ranking based on playing off Bermuda or poana or whatever in Florida, be relevant to links?
Having people qualify would create even more of an open appeal as ‘The Open’ — almost a links season, like the clay-court and grass-court seasons you get in tennis
It would never happen though for obvious reasons
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Not sure if it can be discussed without the need for anyone to pop their pro/anti tinted specs on but I’ll give it a try…
Leftie aside, it’s interesting to read about the latest players/brands to end apparel sponsorship deals involving prominent LIV players. From what’s being written it looks like the aim is for each team to have uniforms/team kit, which obviously doesn’t really work if players in a single team have different apparel deals
So with several captains coming out/already out of their deals they can now look for replacements (which I wouldn’t have thought would be too hard) so through this year I guess we’ll see several teams introduce team kit, that’ll naturally be for sale, as it is with other sports. No doubt it’ll take a long while to take off… but would be massively helped if a player like DJ was to win a major this year
Although I looked at the price of liv golf caps some weeks back and thought they were very expensive. And if shirts are similarly priced it won’t help. I guess a ceiling price might be what someone pays for a football shirt etc
I suppose the true measure of whether its a success or not is if fake kit starts getting made then we know its going well
I’m going to suspect that wearing the teams kit is all part of the contract that they signed
All the captains etc are on the deals and they seem to be the ones starting to wear the team kit.
We saw the leaked information about some players having to wear the kit even when not playing in a LIV event
The ET requested they not wear it when not playing their events which of course some ignored ( because they had to wear it )
The interesting time could be the Masters which we all know are stricter than most in regards clothing and could see them tell the players to not wear LIV clothing
If DJ or any LIV player won a major im not sure how much it would push their brand onto others - I don’t know many who suddenly go to adidas or Nike etc because a player wins a major
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The majors arent “inviting LIV players” - they are just staying with their current qualification criteria - and they won’t imo change that criteria to suit one tour
If a LIV player wants to play in a major then they go through the qualifying - just like many of the other players on multiple tours
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Agree that would be neat. As you say not gonna happen. Would probably need a single independent entity to control pro golf, but we've seen how that hasn't really worked in other areas often due to corruption.
The other is if it becomes too 'hard' some players just wouldn't bother. Also this factor - https://forums.golfmonthly.com/threads/2023-professional-golf-thread.113907/post-2602866
Obviously same applies to the liv events.
One of the many amusing hyphrocisies that came out in last year, which seems now to have ceased thankfully, is now acknowledging how much all the events are ultimately entertainment products. Certainly 'PGAT Product' seemed to be a buzz phrase in last couple of weeks.
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PJ87
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Have you not read all of this thread? They're all past it, bunch of old hacks who will never win a major again
I have a friend who is of this "view" someone asked at breakfast at the club about Liv wanting to know about it
Don't bother it's sugar... (Bear in mind he has never watched a single shot of it)
If your not going to even watch it then surely your opinion of the quality can't be valid because you haven't seen it
If you watch it and form the opinion it's rubbish then fair enough but if you refuse to watch it out of blind loyalty to the PGA tour and won't even turn it on for 2 mins then sorry your opinion on the actual golf is kinda invalid
Beezerk
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I’m not even sure it’s because of blind loyalty to the PGA, it’s people hating for the sake of hating at times with a hint of mob mentality thrown in for good measure.
Do you think LIV will really care or make changes because some grumps on a golf forum don’t like the idea of a breakaway league
PJ87
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I’m not even sure it’s because of blind loyalty to the PGA, it’s people hating for the sake of hating at times with a hint of mob mentality thrown in for good measure.
Do you think LIV will really care or make changes because some grumps on a golf forum don’t like the idea of a breakaway league
I really want Rory to either join Liv or say he enjoys watching it because he loves Rory and it would be hilarious to see his face lol
This full swing when he watches ep 3 his blood will boil because it's a balanced report on Liv rather than pure slagging off
ColchesterFC
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Do you expect LIV will change to fit with the current OWGR requirements or do you think OWGR will alter their criteria to accommodate LIV?
Shep2
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LIV won't change significantly imo. They might introduce some sort of qualifying, but I doubt that. The features that clash with OWGR's standard format are what differentiates LIV from other tours. If OWGR accepts LIV, irrespective of their non-standard format, the number of points allocated to ech event would be petty low anyway ans would be evn if at their members pre-LIV rankings! LIV will use the apparent failure of OWGR to cater for it to maintain publicity - or 'be louder' as per its existing pproach.
Jason.H
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PGA tour players have been highly critical of OWGR. With regards LIV I’m not for or against. If they changed to a normal 72 hole stroke play with a cut would they then qualify for points?
Personally I’ve seen a bit of LIV on YouTube and I’m more in favour of the traditional 72 hole event format. The team stuff is great in Ryder cup type events.
Personally I’ve seen a bit of LIV on YouTube and I’m more in favour of the traditional 72 hole event format. The team stuff is great in Ryder cup type events.
Rickie Fowler speaks well on the subject in the series. He hasn't moved but he understands it and why people are going. A bit of rational chat is good to see.
Swango1980
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I see the LIV fans are having a little natter today amongst themselves, having a dig at the people who do not like LIV. Isn't it so ironic when they refer to us as "haters"
I'd be interesting to find somebody within this forum that has a "blind loyalty to the PGAT". I wouldn't have thought there'd be anybody with that much investment in the PGAT, certainly never seen a thread dedicated to the PGAT which allows people to tell everyone else how brilliant they think it is? I suspect there are simply golf fans who have enjoyed watching a certain number of events on the PGAT over the years, and much prefer it to what LIV has to offer?
I've no issue with individuals liking LIV. I'm also certain that there are many things the PGAT could do to improve its product (to my taste), probably change in ways I haven't even thought of. If that product was called the PGAT, LIV or anything else, it wouldn't matter. I'd enjoy the product.
It would be interesting if there was a way to put our personal feelings completely aside, look at it as a completely uninterested person just looking at it objectively. Are there signs that LIV could become huge? Has it captured the "positive" attention of a significant amount of the golf market? Has it brought in a significant amount of new fans, that would never have got into golf otherwise? Is it showing signs that, one day, it could become the worlds leading tour with huge sponsorship and broadcasting deals? Is it continually attracting the worlds best players at a high rate? Has it got systems in place to efficiently identify the worlds best young talent, and making sure that the best golfers in the world in 5-10 years time are all getting their chance on LIV? Or is a system being put in place? Will it be able to sustain the amount of money it is giving to players, and if not will the product still be good enough to attract the worlds best players in the future?
We've all given our own opinions on the answers above, some trying to use some objectivity and others not (from both sides of the fence), so no point in trying again.
What I would say is this: If LIV truly does become successful, then it will do so not by TELLING us it is successful. It will do so by producing a product that most of the golf market enjoy. That is pretty much by definition. So, if LIV becomes the world leading tour in 10 years time, then I can objectively see a reason for people who don't like LIV now to like it then (not everyone of course). Personally, I don't hate LIV simply for the sake of hating LIV. I just don't much like it, that's all.
I'd be interesting to find somebody within this forum that has a "blind loyalty to the PGAT". I wouldn't have thought there'd be anybody with that much investment in the PGAT, certainly never seen a thread dedicated to the PGAT which allows people to tell everyone else how brilliant they think it is? I suspect there are simply golf fans who have enjoyed watching a certain number of events on the PGAT over the years, and much prefer it to what LIV has to offer?
I've no issue with individuals liking LIV. I'm also certain that there are many things the PGAT could do to improve its product (to my taste), probably change in ways I haven't even thought of. If that product was called the PGAT, LIV or anything else, it wouldn't matter. I'd enjoy the product.
It would be interesting if there was a way to put our personal feelings completely aside, look at it as a completely uninterested person just looking at it objectively. Are there signs that LIV could become huge? Has it captured the "positive" attention of a significant amount of the golf market? Has it brought in a significant amount of new fans, that would never have got into golf otherwise? Is it showing signs that, one day, it could become the worlds leading tour with huge sponsorship and broadcasting deals? Is it continually attracting the worlds best players at a high rate? Has it got systems in place to efficiently identify the worlds best young talent, and making sure that the best golfers in the world in 5-10 years time are all getting their chance on LIV? Or is a system being put in place? Will it be able to sustain the amount of money it is giving to players, and if not will the product still be good enough to attract the worlds best players in the future?
We've all given our own opinions on the answers above, some trying to use some objectivity and others not (from both sides of the fence), so no point in trying again.
What I would say is this: If LIV truly does become successful, then it will do so not by TELLING us it is successful. It will do so by producing a product that most of the golf market enjoy. That is pretty much by definition. So, if LIV becomes the world leading tour in 10 years time, then I can objectively see a reason for people who don't like LIV now to like it then (not everyone of course). Personally, I don't hate LIV simply for the sake of hating LIV. I just don't much like it, that's all.
Beezerk
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Mate seriously, you need to reduce the amount of words in your posts, I lose the will to live after the first few lines 
AussieKB
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Agree, only lasted a few lines, might be because I'm old.
Swango1980
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It's OK, I'm not demanding you read them.Mate seriously, you need to reduce the amount of words in your posts, I lose the will to live after the first few lines
But, if people like you continually represent the opinion of LIV fans erroneously, you just need to be aware that it is only out of ignorance on your own part. As you've failed to actually read the entirety of their post. Clearly, if I expressed my view in one or 2 lines, then it makes it much easier for LIV fans to completely change the context. Lengthening the post allows me to add clarity and caveats, so that if anyone with any intellect and patience can read them if they wish. Have a grown up discussion.
Swango1980
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It isn't because you are old. For example, if Mel Smooth or anyone else wrote a 20 paragraph post on how great Cameron Smith is, along with how amazing LIV is, I'm sure you'd get through more than a few lines?
You only lasted a few lines because you don't like what you were reading. Which is fine, I guess that is not an uncommon human reaction
Beezerk
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PJ87
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Same with spieth and JT
Much more respectful comments than others we heard in the past.
For me there is space for both
I was interested in Liv watched 2 events and realised why live golf doesn't capture me much outside majors
Majors. Players and if tigers playing these days
But I do like the idea that I can dip in and out of it and it's a nice simple viewable format
Much like full swing , it's interesting because it's short sharp action
