LIV Golf

[MiurasFan]

This is simply all personal opinion.

Me and my friends do watch and enjoy LIV.

So do I - at least the Individual part of it! But stats from YT, particularly, indicate viewing figures are, relatively, very low.

 

[AddisonRoad]

This is simply all personal opinion.

Me and my friends do watch and enjoy LIV.

Yes, of course, it's opinion. But the numbers don't lie — barely any viewers on YouTube, and now in the US, people won't be able to access it on YouTube anymore. They weren't getting many people through the doors at events either (and I say this as someone that went to the London event at Centurion). Now they're placing their finals event in a timezone unsuitable for the two biggest markets. I can imagine they'll get some big numbers through the doors in Adelaide because of Cam Smith, but otherwise, i'd bet they have lower fan participation this year than last year.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

More people watched the Barstool Sports crazy golf competition live on YouTube than the last few LiV events.

 

[BubbaP]

DJ or Cam Smith winning a major wouldnt validate the Liv tour whatsoever. They are world class golfers, both in most peoples Top 10. It wouldnt be a shock to anyone if they won one this year.

Liv would probably prefer an Abraham Ancer or Joaquin Neimann win - players still on the up when the left the PGA but not at the very top - beefs up their case for more of their players to get an alternative (Liv based) route into the majors.

Agree generally, but on the highlighted part, a glance at social media over last 8 months, or going back a few pages on here - you'll find plenty of views that as soon as they hit a ball in LIV that they had suddenly lost all chance of being competitive..

 

[BubbaP]

Not seen much from this guy before..

https://golfdigestme.com/dp-worlds-...-between-european-tour-pga-tour-and-liv-golf/

Note, seems he is DPW, not European tour

 

[MiurasFan]

I agree, the only thing it validates is that the people saying LIV golfers will struggle over 4 days are clutching at straws

Really what could validate LIV would be OWGR points, even more major winners signing contracts and changing the name of Bubba's team

OWGR points might happen - though I think the issue is a red herring, as they'd actually be very low points allocated to LIV events. And, by its standardisation requirement, would need LIV to compromise on 'what makes them different'! Most, if not all, of the LIV guys that would be challenging (currently) for Major wins don't actually need OWGR points, as they already have exemptions. OWGR major (sic) purpose, come benefit, is to independently provide qualification for entry into Majors for those not already exempted. The actual ranking - apart from the top few, any changes there, and whether non-exempt players are in the top 50 or not - is the crux of its purpose!

 

[Bdill93]

OWGR points might happen - though I think the issue is a red herring, as they'd actually be very low points allocated to LIV events. And, by its standardisation requirement, would need LIV to compromise on 'what makes them different'! Most, if not all, of the LIV guys that would be challenging (currently) for Major wins don't actually need OWGR points, as they already have exemptions. OWGR major (sic) purpose, come benefit, is to independently provide qualification for entry into Majors for those not already exempted. The actual ranking - apart from the top few, any changes there, and whether non-exempt players are in the top 50 or not - is the crux of its purpose!

I agree - they wont qualify for many points and I cant see many players working their way up rankings just Via LIV. I just think that if OWGR do recognise LIV as a tour fit to receive points then it goes some way in validating the tour as a whole.

I don't actually think LIV should be getting OWGR points. I just don't like the LIV golfers being blocked from playing elsewhere. I like the concept that players should just be able to pick and choose which tour they play on in any given week.

 

[MiurasFan]

I agree - they wont qualify for many points and I cant see many players working their way up rankings just Via LIV. I just think that if OWGR do recognise LIV as a tour fit to receive points then it goes some way in validating the tour as a whole.

While I see your point, I don't think it's needed. If the Saudis stop funding it, it will disappear; if the funding reduces to PGAT or DPWT levels, it will lose its main USP and will simply become a bunch of 'not yet Seniors' playing an otherwise irrelevant exhibition tournament -

 

[Bdill93]

While I see your point, I don't think it's needed. If the Saudis stop funding it, it will disappear; if the funding reduces to PGAT or DPWT levels, it will lose its main USP and will simply become a bunch of 'not yet Seniors' playing an otherwise irrelevant exhibition tournament -

It might not be needed, but it might happen - LIV clearly want it!

I mean "not yet seniors" is just a dig so ill ignore that but lots of if's there about LIV folding...

What if the Saudi's continue to fund it? Increase funding? Buy another tour to act as a feeder?

 

[doublebogey7]

I agree - they wont qualify for many points and I cant see many players working their way up rankings just Via LIV. I just think that if OWGR do recognise LIV as a tour fit to receive points then it goes some way in validating the tour as a whole.

I don't actually think LIV should be getting OWGR points. I just don't like the LIV golfers being blocked from playing elsewhere. I like the concept that players should just be able to pick and choose which tour they play on in any given week.

Do you apply that to LiV allowing players not contracted to play in their league on any given week.

 

[Bdill93]

Do you apply that to LiV allowing players not contracted to play in their league on any given week.

Yes.

In a world where players can pick and choose I would expect LIV to basically be open to the top 48 players to choose to play in or not - as players defer to play elsewhere the next in line is offered the spot.

LIV could still have captains and pay them a fee to lead a team etc. and commit to all the events if they so wish, teams would certainly have to have players coming and going - lots of issues around the team aspect in this model tbh.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree - they wont qualify for many points and I cant see many players working their way up rankings just Via LIV. I just think that if OWGR do recognise LIV as a tour fit to receive points then it goes some way in validating the tour as a whole.

I don't actually think LIV should be getting OWGR points. I just don't like the LIV golfers being blocked from playing elsewhere. I like the concept that players should just be able to pick and choose which tour they play on in any given week.

Do you think that LIV would like that concept in regards allowing their contracted players to pick and chose where they play and also allowing the non LIV golfers to be able to play any LIV event they want ?

LiV players aren’t blocked from playing anywhere

They are more than free to gain membership or a tour card on any tour and then abiding by the rules of that tour

 

[Bdill93]

Do you think that LIV would like that concept in regards allowing their contracted players to pick and chose where they play and also allowing the non LIV golfers to be able to play any LIV event they want ?

LiV players aren’t blocked from playing anywhere

They are more than free to gain membership or a tour card on any tour and then abiding by the rules of that tour

Well grand scheme this would be a few years down the line from now. At that point - with my business head on - id write off the Westwood/ Poulter type contracts as money spent to achieve knocking the door down. If they randomly fancied the British Masters over LIV Bangkok then no worries!

Going forward - Id contract captains for a year at a time and nothing more. Just offer large prize sums as the draw to come and play.

And you know as well as I do that the LIV golfers are currently suspended from the PGA tour, so they are blocked from playing elsewhere. Tell me how DJ tees it up next week?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well grand scheme this would be a few years down the line from now. At that point - with my business head on - id write off the Westwood/ Poulter type contracts as money spent to achieve knocking the door down. If they randomly fancied the British Masters over LIV Bangkok then no worries!

Going forward - Id contract captains for a year at a time and nothing more. Just offer large prize sums as the draw to come and play.

And you know as well as I do that the LIV golfers are currently suspended from the PGA tour, so they are blocked from playing elsewhere. Tell me how DJ tees it up next week?

DJ hasn’t abided by the rules of the PGAT so has had his tour membership paused - think he has resigned it

Again his choice

So players would be looking to earn their money again in the future of LIV - so the guarantee earnings regardless of performance gone apart from a select few ?

So it still needs huge financial input from Saudi

 

[MiurasFan]

It might not be needed, but it might happen - LIV clearly want it!

The question is 'Why' and the answer is 'To create noise publicity to remain relevant'!

I mean "not yet seniors" is just a dig so ill ignore that but lots of if's there about LIV folding...

It's not a dig - at least, not by me! Just a way to categorise quite a few of the original recruits! They ae still very good, but not at the same level as Rory, Rahm, Scheffler etc Even DJ perhaps, but he's been pretty true to his 'more time with the family' statement.

It might not be needed, but it might happen - LIV clearly want it!
What if the Saudi's continue to fund it? Increase funding? Buy another tour to act as a feeder?

They already have a (or several) feeder Tours so I can't see more being created. They might need to increase funding if it expands to satisfy OWGR requirements and still keeps the huge prizes USP, but I doubt that'll happen this year.

 

[Bdill93]

DJ hasn’t abided by the rules of the PGAT so has had his tour membership paused - think he has resigned it

Again his choice

So players would be looking to earn their money again in the future of LIV - so the guarantee earnings regardless of performance gone apart from a select few ?

So it still needs huge financial input from Saudi

Yeah his choice, but its not the free market you make out. He cannot go back currently and there is no timeline on it.

Well no, because with no cut the money is guaranteed. The last place finisher still gets paid 120k. Guaranteed.

Contracts with signing bonus's would be gone.

I've not said once that this isn't reliant on Saudi - obviously it is for now but later down the line it may not be. PGA tour seemed to find plenty of extra money to put into their 12 key events - so money in pro golf is there. Just not with LIV yet.

 

[doublebogey7]

Do you apply that to LiV allowing players not contracted to play in their league on any given week.

That's great, but why then only mention the restrictions imposed on LiV contractors and not those on PGAT/DPWT members in your post.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yeah his choice, but its not the free market you make out. He cannot go back currently and there is no timeline on it.

Well no, because with no cut the money is guaranteed. The last place finisher still gets paid 120k. Guaranteed.

Contracts with signing bonus's would be gone.

I've not said once that this isn't reliant on Saudi - obviously it is for now but later down the line it may not be. PGA tour seemed to find plenty of extra money to put into their 12 key events - so money in pro golf is there. Just not with LIV yet.

It is a free market

There is nothing stopping DJ or indeed any other player from leaving LIV and playing on the PGAT again

Right now DJ is under more restrictions playing for LIV than he was playing on the PGAT

And yes there is money in golf - mainly from big sponsors and big media deals - something that LIV it seems can’t attract

 

[Bdill93]

The question is 'Why' and the answer is 'To create noise publicity to remain relevant'!
It's not a dig - at least, not by me! Just a way to categorise quite a few of the original recruits! They ae still very good, but not at the same level as Rory, Rahm, Scheffler etc Even DJ perhaps, but he's been pretty true to his 'more time with the family' statement.

They already have a (or several) feeder Tours so I can't see more being created. They might need to increase funding if it expands to satisfy OWGR requirements and still keeps the huge prizes USP, but I doubt that'll happen this year.

Your answer is... not the answer is. It absolutely makes the tour more credible if the governing body of World Golf Rankings award LIV players points. (Again, don't care if they do or don't)

There are a number of older guys, but they have also signed promising young stars. Tigers the same age as Poulter and yet he's the biggest attraction in golf. No one is saying this weekend is the almost seniors tour. Just a silly argument to have made. For every 40+ guy they have a under 40 guy. Plenty of older names still on the PGA tour too.

Again, I'm just counting your weak "if" arguments, I don't think they actually will make another feeder tour

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Mito Perreira & Sebastian Munoz unveiled today on Torque GC.

Top 50 and top 100 players in the world - Strengthens Livs field.

PGA Tour wont be too bothered about losing these 2.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1625857517812330497