Mel Smooth
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Don’t know Phil, I wondered the same.
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Don’t know Phil, I wondered the same.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Not really LIV related, more generally men's professional golf :
Last week and this week, the two DPWT events were offering slightly larger purses than the opposing two PGAT events.
However both fields significantly stronger (based on owgr) on the PGAT.
Just the way it is, or disappointing?
Lure of building FedEx cash too strong, or convenience if you have based yourself in the US? Bit more to it than money?
Last week and this week, the two DPWT events were offering slightly larger purses than the opposing two PGAT events.
However both fields significantly stronger (based on owgr) on the PGAT.
Just the way it is, or disappointing?
Lure of building FedEx cash too strong, or convenience if you have based yourself in the US? Bit more to it than money?
Mel Smooth
Hacker
I guess there is a lot of discussion to be had over all the points you make.
1st up, was the field actually significantly stronger, or not. Twice as strong as the OWGR suggests? I'm not sure. There are definitely more names in the AMEX entry list - certainly at the sharp end, but then when you go and look at the final leaderboards for the four majors in 2022, there are quite a few players from Abu Dhabi that show up finishing well in those - so are we being conditioned to think the PGAT players are better, simply because of the "status" of the tour. They are better, I'm not disputing that, but twice as good - not sure.
I think your last question probably answers it generally - at this stage of the season I'd imagine most players are building up towards the bigger events, so it's a case of playing in a tournament that suits their programme, and if the money is good, that's a bonus.
doublebogey7
Head Pro
1) There were twice as many top 100 players in the PGA field as the DPWT field last week, so certainly can be argued that it was twice as strong, whatever that might mean.
2) Not sure what you are looking at with regards to last years majors, but as far as I can see there were twice as many North American players finish in the top 10 in all of them than players from the Rest of the World. Almost all of those from the RoW ply their trade mainly on the PGAT.
3) Your last point is fare, though would add most Americans are not great travellers and don't hold a DPWT card and as they dominate the top of the world rankings, the DPWT is pulling from a much smaller field of top players.
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
Interesting article regarding the decision making on OWGR and LIV - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/64379136
"Myself and Jay Monahan and Keith Waters recused ourselves of the separate committee. The four majors will determine the LIV application."
It seems that DPWT and PGA tour will not directly influence the decision on LIV gaining OWGR points - so if the majors want the players in their fields, its in their hands now it seems!
What's interesting is that OWGR seems broken right now due to field strengths etc and with the LIV guys falling in ranking positions since they all individually signed, the LIV fields cant be ranked that strongly...
I've no idea what calculations they'd need to do to make the points system reflect such a variety of different formats and tours to achieve (for example) the top 10 LIV guys qualifying- it'd be a right mess!
Rather them than me
"Myself and Jay Monahan and Keith Waters recused ourselves of the separate committee. The four majors will determine the LIV application."
It seems that DPWT and PGA tour will not directly influence the decision on LIV gaining OWGR points - so if the majors want the players in their fields, its in their hands now it seems!
What's interesting is that OWGR seems broken right now due to field strengths etc and with the LIV guys falling in ranking positions since they all individually signed, the LIV fields cant be ranked that strongly...
I've no idea what calculations they'd need to do to make the points system reflect such a variety of different formats and tours to achieve (for example) the top 10 LIV guys qualifying- it'd be a right mess!
Rather them than me
doublebogey7
Head Pro
Guess we'll have to wait an see, but as I have said in other posts, I doubt very much that OWGR board feel it's broken and I would not be holding my breath for major changes before the end of the two year cycle unless LiV make some changes to their format and eligibility criteria and there's no sign of that happening.Interesting article regarding the decision making on OWGR and LIV - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/64379136
"Myself and Jay Monahan and Keith Waters recused ourselves of the separate committee. The four majors will determine the LIV application."
It seems that DPWT and PGA tour will not directly influence the decision on LIV gaining OWGR points - so if the majors want the players in their fields, its in their hands now it seems!
What's interesting is that OWGR seems broken right now due to field strengths etc and with the LIV guys falling in ranking positions since they all individually signed, the LIV fields cant be ranked that strongly...
I've no idea what calculations they'd need to do to make the points system reflect such a variety of different formats and tours to achieve (for example) the top 10 LIV guys qualifying- it'd be a right mess!
Rather them than me
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Think they may might have done that based on the impending court cases over anything else.
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
Regarding OWGR being broken -
I think the top names still on the PGA tour coming out and saying its broken may change their minds on that to be honest.
Its going to take time to come up with any sort of solution though, its not an easy one to find!
Regarding LIV gaining points -
I also don't see LIV changing their structure, so basically the majors come up with a new way for pros to qualify for their competitions which includes LIV in some form (literally no idea how) - or they do not..
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Deleted member 29109
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Has there been many top names saying it’s broken other than Rahm?
As for LiV. Very few people actually care if they get points or not. Personally I’d rather thy didn’t just to annoy LiV supporters. Those of any interest already have exemptions to the majors. Those that haven’t won’t be missed and can go through qualifying for the opens if they think they are good enough.
They knew LiV didn’t meet the OWGR criteria before going, so should suck it up and stop crying about it.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
For LIV to get points there has to be either a big change in LIV's MO or a big climbdown from OWGR as they will have to break several criteria that every other Tour has met.
Bearing in mind d that LIV players do have access to points through Asia, albeit relatively small numbers, the OWGR may leave things as they are....
Bearing in mind d that LIV players do have access to points through Asia, albeit relatively small numbers, the OWGR may leave things as they are....
doublebogey7
Head Pro
I can only recall one out of the current top 10 saying anything and he can be accused of sour grapes. I just don't see the majors coming up with anything special for LiV beyond maybe offering one place to their tour winner, but for the forseeable future they are likley to be already qualified. They may offer LiV OWGR points, but if they do the points avialble for the forseeable future would be so small to make it almost impossible for LiV golfers to qualify using that route alone.
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Deleted member 29109
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Apparently Reed has thrown a tee at Rory for ignoring him. ?
Newtonuti
Active member
Tiger Woods said "It's a flawed system, that's something we all here recognize" regarding the new points awarding system.
D
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Alan Shipnuck respected journalist has gone public on his podcast saying that an OWGR board member has confirmed to him that Liv are getting OWGR points around April/The Masters.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Patrick Reed needs to grow up......
SatchFan
Q-School Graduate
Rory McIlroy needs to grow up.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Are you not allowed to ignore someone you don't like..?
I hope Pat has lots of tees.....
I hope Pat has lots of tees.....
doublebogey7
Head Pro
Where did he say that, a google search as only unearthed ar article from last June ahead of the US Open, he was wrong then I am guessing he'll be wrong now.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Rory is a self appointed (seemingly) spokesperson for the PGAT, and an ambassador for the game, and in life, and business, you can’t and shouldn’t always ignore people. If any of his co-professionals attempt to acknowledge him, he should reciprocate. Reed has done nothing for his public perception over the years, there is no denying that, but I’d expect more from Rory - or maybe I wouldn’t given his wavering opinions over the last year….
Maybe Reed was trying to find out what was dead in the water, and Rory simply couldn’t answer the question ;-)
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Rory is the bad guy in an incident with Reed? ?????????????
