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Liverpoolphil

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Confident it will be spun both ways (as most things these days), and we'll never really know.

As per Phil, I think in time they'll want/need the ad money - but for now have stumbled upon a USP and may see that as worth sticking with, as cash flow not being an issue
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what the heck were the three other offers if this was the best
 

Jacko_G

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I believe LIV have 14 events which their contracted players will be obligated to attend. I also believe that the PGA Tour requires players to sign up to a minimum of 15 events.

If that is correct then for players to play both tours and comply with the requirements they will have to play 29 events rather than 14 or 15, unless LIV and the PGA Tour agree to co-sanction some of them, which appears unlikely this side of Hell freezing over. That looks distinctly like a doubling of workloads unless anything changes.
On a basic maths yes however when you factor in that the vast majority of the LIV guys still (at present) fulfill obligations elsewhere and compete in Europe or Japan etc then their schedule is significantly more than their LIV obligations.

I'm surprised that I had to explain that but at the risk of sounding like a broken record the haters.....

You get the picture
 

Liverpoolphil

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On a basic maths yes however when you factor in that the vast majority of the LIV guys still (at present) fulfill obligations elsewhere and compete in Europe or Japan etc then their schedule is significantly more than their LIV obligations.

I'm surprised that I had to explain that but at the risk of sounding like a broken record the haters.....

You get the picture
Currently the only LIV guys fulfil any other tour requirements are those that need events for ranking points and those that have been binned off when bigger name players arrived.

The likes of Gooch etc aren’t playing to fulfil requirements as they are not members of the ET so have no requirements for fulfil

Most of them are now just playing LIV - the likes of DJ , Koepka , BDC - most of them are going to end up playing under 10 events this year.
 

Jacko_G

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Currently the only LIV guys fulfil any other tour requirements are those that need events for ranking points and those that have been binned off when bigger name players arrived.

The likes of Gooch etc aren’t playing to fulfil requirements as they are not members of the ET so have no requirements for fulfil

Most of them are now just playing LIV - the likes of DJ , Koepka , BDC - most of them are going to end up playing under 10 events this year.
Hence why it's being challenged - again really didn't think that would require an explanation.
 

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Currently the only LIV guys fulfil any other tour requirements are those that need events for ranking points and those that have been binned off when bigger name players arrived.

The likes of Gooch etc aren’t playing to fulfil requirements as they are not members of the ET so have no requirements for fulfil

Most of them are now just playing LIV - the likes of DJ , Koepka , BDC - most of them are going to end up playing under 10 events this year.
I'm sure these guys are waiting on the resolution of the OGWR situation at the moment though. They have exemptions so need not rush to play other tour if its not necessary for the majors!

I honestly think these guys are the ones laughing the loudest at the moment, way less golf and more money in the bank. They have time on their side for a few years yet!
 

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Hence why it's being challenged - again really didn't think that would require an explanation.
Challenged? Do you mean the lawsuit that players are pulling out of ? And some of the players have resigned as PGAT members ?‍♂️ So they are just LIV members ?

But the point BIM was clear - if they want to play on LIV and another tour then they are going to play a minimum of 28/29 events

The players right now that play on two tours have a number of events that double up - majors , WGC - that’s ten events alone that count on both tours , so the likes of Rory will play around 20 events , same with anyone who plays two tours where majors count
I'm sure these guys are waiting on the resolution of the OGWR situation at the moment though. They have exemptions so need not rush to play other tour if its not necessary for the majors!

I honestly think these guys are the ones laughing the loudest at the moment, way less golf and more money in the bank. They have time on their side for a few years yet!
I guess if that’s all they are motivated by then they will be happy with the money

I suspect other golfers already have a lot of money but also want to compete for the prestige to win some of the tournaments in the name of the greats or comps that the greats have won before.
 

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It does seem a strange deal with Fox but let's not forget Liv are only 5 events old.

Does anyone know how long the proposed deal is for... 2023 ?

Will streaming on You Tube still be available.
They are just starting to do some really good stuff on their own, the production on the Boston highlights they published this week is excellent.

 

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On a basic maths yes however when you factor in that the vast majority of the LIV guys still (at present) fulfill obligations elsewhere and compete in Europe or Japan etc then their schedule is significantly more than their LIV obligations.

I'm surprised that I had to explain that but at the risk of sounding like a broken record the haters.....

You get the picture
So let’s say that they currently do 26 events a year; how many of those LIV events will the PGA Tour and the DPWT agree to be co-sanctioned so that the LIV players who want to play both tours don’t have to do the full 15 on that tour as well in order to meet their membership criteria? A round number I’d suggest as they would be giving LIV exactly what they want and depriving some of their members of opportunities in order to accommodate LIV players. Let’s be totally honest here, the only reason that LIV players want these spaces is for ranking points.

I just don’t get how players who state that they want to play less can achieve that playing on two tours? And it’s just something else that doesn’t add up in the statements from LIV, which makes me suspicious of it. I’m not seeing how what they are doing will grow the game. They may take it to areas of the world that haven’t had tournaments before but that to me isn’t necessarily growing the game, it’s showcasing it. How will the increase access to the game for this new audience?

Re the broken record, you are coming across as a PGA and/or DPW Tour hater, and as you say yourself, hater’s gonna hate…
 

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Just to go slightly off topic for a moment, this isn't really about liv although of course every journalist seems to tie in something currently. Didn’t want to post on Presidents Cup thread while discussions were about the matches.

Anyway, I'd never really thought about how the PGA of America ended up with thr Ryder Cup - found it interesting..

https://clubhouse.swingu.com/tour/player-revolt-helped-presidents-cup-and-now-hurts-it/
 

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Rory seems to have softened his stance massively from Wentworth and Italian Open with his quotes today at St Andrews.

Should get round a table to bring golf back together (if the lawsuit is dropped)

Liv Golfers should get OWGR points if they can agree on a criteria, not right if DJ is ranked 100
 

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Rory seems to have softened his stance massively from Wentworth and Italian Open with his quotes today at St Andrews.

Should get round a table to bring golf back together (if the lawsuit is dropped)

Liv Golfers should get OWGR points if they can agree on a criteria, not right if DJ is ranked 100
Not sure he’s softened that much.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/63061058
 

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Wow ! That is a very BIG thumbs down from the main US networks to broadcast LIV. In a business when networks are usually fighting hard to win multimillion, and billion $ deals for sports broadcasting rights, 5 major American channels literally said - you couldnt pay US to broadcast it !

Like the golfers, where 10% or so seem to be swayed to LIV by the big cash, one network has been. Presumably, Fox Sports has the same misgivings, but is swallowing them for the cheque.
So it moves to a cable channel there - looks like LIV thought as much about youtube being a credible medium as the rest of us...

But that is one big no-thank-you from the majority of American TV.
 

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It is a strange deal for sure but we must not forget they are only 15 rounds into their tour life.
Im guessing Fox have been clever here, only network left on the table after the streaming services sidestepped for now.

Fox knows they have pretty much unlimited cash to establish the tour and flipped it on them because they knew Liv needs to get its product in front of more people.
Good business move by Fox ?
Be interested to see the length of this deal, I'm guessing for 2023 before putting it out to tender again.

The key thing here is that no one knows is how much money or time the PIF have agreed to for the tour to get fully established?
Greg Norman keeps quoting they are putting 2 billion into golf in interviews.

The PGA Tour would have been hoping that Liv didn't get any TV deal of any kind but like it or not the fact is Liv can buy itself everything it needs to succeed from players, commentators, infrastructure, and now it seems national US TV network coverage.

That is what grinds on people the most I think but to take on the might and strength of position of the PGA Tour there is no other way to do it..
 

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What’s does he actually say? Ball is in their court, that’s about it, rest is just sound bites. He’d make a good politician ?
Squarely lays the blame for the ranking points fiasco where it belongs and says it’s good to talk but only when you drop the lawsuit. Not sure he’s that much of a politician. ?
 
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Keeping in mind that with current journalism, impartiality is like a unicorn..

Suggest skipping over the no doubt bias opinion stuff and down to the numbered paragraphs, which I thought made interesting reading -

https://teeboxtimes.com/?p=397
Very interesting

Re244, I wonder if there was a circular sent out to all the golf media productions to try and sway there attitude to LIV, from the PGA Tour? It seems that way even on here at times.

Reading that article it certainly wouldn’t surprise me.
 

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Very interesting

Re244, I wonder if there was a circular sent out to all the golf media productions to try and sway there attitude to LIV, from the PGA Tour? It seems that way even on here at times.

Reading that article it certainly wouldn’t surprise me.
We’re into conspiracy theories now are we?
Was Monaghan the man behind the grassy knoll?
 
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