Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Noticing a lot of fuss about the Ryder cup, at this rate joe long before LIV can host their own version of the Ryder cup with a decent competitive team in each side?
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Depreston
Club Champion
Big week... No competition and some big signings be interesting to see how this 250+ million dollar investment for the week relates to people tuning in... it's fine saying they're no loss but if the world isn't watching what's the point?
rksquire
Head Pro
No surprises with the new announcements, no surprise how the narrative will be spun from both 'sides'.
I will be genuinely sad to see Smith go; puts a lot of organizations into very tricky positions with his exemptions going forward, not to mention that given his achievements this year he was / is very marketable as the Open Champion - he's a guy who can do it over 4 rounds and in the Majors. With all due respect, the LIV field is more than decent and even though Smith's ranking will now go down, I am slightly disappointed he'll not defend the Players and his defense of the Open Championship is now under a cloud. Worth noting that with Lahiri now signing, LIV have the top 3 players from the Players this year - the 'fifth' Major, strongest field, hardest to win etc.
The golf landscape is changing, the PGATs response is to tighten it's stranglehold on world golf and throw money at it; the DPWT is dying before our eyes and seemingly doing very little about it, players are saying and doing stupid things that are getting equal amounts of praise and disdain, the Ryder Cup & Presidents Cup will be impacted but the show(s) will go on. LIV will continue to unsettle players but at some point realise their USP has a limit and they'll have to find a way to gain acceptance in the wider golf community. The whole thing is a total
-show. And the PGAT can blame GN & LIV; but they also have to look at themselves - apart from the vocal PM, some of the membership have been unhappy for a long time. From the outside, LIV is a dark cloud hanging over the PGAT and its players - the constant questions, even after winning, means it's not going away. LIV on the other hand hasn't grabbed the imagination or viewers just yet - but for the moment they plough on carefree, even with serious question marks about the format, field, team aspect etc. I still don't think Smith tips the balance (Southern hemisphere territories may feel differently); it just makes certain conversations more difficult.
I will be genuinely sad to see Smith go; puts a lot of organizations into very tricky positions with his exemptions going forward, not to mention that given his achievements this year he was / is very marketable as the Open Champion - he's a guy who can do it over 4 rounds and in the Majors. With all due respect, the LIV field is more than decent and even though Smith's ranking will now go down, I am slightly disappointed he'll not defend the Players and his defense of the Open Championship is now under a cloud. Worth noting that with Lahiri now signing, LIV have the top 3 players from the Players this year - the 'fifth' Major, strongest field, hardest to win etc.
The golf landscape is changing, the PGATs response is to tighten it's stranglehold on world golf and throw money at it; the DPWT is dying before our eyes and seemingly doing very little about it, players are saying and doing stupid things that are getting equal amounts of praise and disdain, the Ryder Cup & Presidents Cup will be impacted but the show(s) will go on. LIV will continue to unsettle players but at some point realise their USP has a limit and they'll have to find a way to gain acceptance in the wider golf community. The whole thing is a total
-show. And the PGAT can blame GN & LIV; but they also have to look at themselves - apart from the vocal PM, some of the membership have been unhappy for a long time. From the outside, LIV is a dark cloud hanging over the PGAT and its players - the constant questions, even after winning, means it's not going away. LIV on the other hand hasn't grabbed the imagination or viewers just yet - but for the moment they plough on carefree, even with serious question marks about the format, field, team aspect etc. I still don't think Smith tips the balance (Southern hemisphere territories may feel differently); it just makes certain conversations more difficult.100% right, it’s fine margins at that level, to dismiss players as has been’s is poor in my opinion, the boy that won on the DPWT on Sunday, I’d actually never heard of him but I’m sure most people know Matt Wallace (for his temper if nothing else ??)
Boy that won deserved it though, on their day or weekend, they are all capable players.
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
the biggest reason for signing smith surely has to be the negotiation power he brings against co existing and potentially ranking points on the LIV tour
Depreston
Club Champion
No surprises with the new announcements, no surprise how the narrative will be spun from both 'sides'.
I will be genuinely sad to see Smith go; puts a lot of organizations into very tricky positions with his exemptions going forward, not to mention that given his achievements this year he was / is very marketable as the Open Champion - he's a guy who can do it over 4 rounds and in the Majors. With all due respect, the LIV field is more than decent and even though Smith's ranking will now go down, I am slightly disappointed he'll not defend the Players and his defense of the Open Championship is now under a cloud. Worth noting that with Lahiri now signing, LIV have the top 3 players from the Players this year - the 'fifth' Major, strongest field, hardest to win etc.
The golf landscape is changing, the PGATs response is to tighten it's stranglehold on world golf and throw money at it; the DPWT is dying before our eyes and seemingly doing very little about it, players are saying and doing stupid things that are getting equal amounts of praise and disdain, the Ryder Cup & Presidents Cup will be impacted but the show(s) will go on. LIV will continue to unsettle players but at some point realise their USP has a limit and they'll have to find a way to gain acceptance in the wider golf community. The whole thing is a total
yes it's a good summary.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
This very thread demonstrates the intense interest - I'm not even sure there's a way of collating the viewing figures as the broadcasts go out on multiple platforms and TV links now - but the interest is definitely there.
hovis
Tour Winner
Is it though? In my entire golf circle (and its big) I don't know a single person watching liv golf. Mainly because most of them don't know how to stream YouTube to a TV. I have watched a few holes but I just couldn't get into it. I desperately want to because I love watching golf. The only way I can explain it is its like watching England play a friendly. Its not worth anything!!!
Depreston
Club Champion
The interest and discussion is in the arrivals and departures though the actual golf is bottom of the list on the thread.
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Comedy Gold Phil.
Why ? Is that the only response? Do you need to go and see what the LIV bots are saying ?
Are there any other “stellar” names beyond those 4 that are relevant and you would expect to see around the top 10 and regularly chasing big wins and majors ?
But they haven’t signed all the worlds top 50 and “IF” they did then as with anything opinions would change
But they have 1 from the top ten now
Another 1 player from the top 20
Another 10 from the top 50 but the players are already tumbling down the rankings
LIV right now only can’t fit 48 players into their tournaments and most of those players are from outside the top 50 in the world with some even further away
There is no chance that any “truce” will happen - that just benefits the LIV , the PGAT is big and strong enough to more than get past losing the players they have done.
When LIV out of their 48 have over half in the top 50 and at least 10 in the top 20 then there is some serious damage going on
This weekend showed that PGAT will outstrip any LIV event and hopefully the upcoming ET events will do as well
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Tell them to watch this video, although they'll have to watch it on something other than the TV they want to connect initally ;-)
Also, if you have virgin or Sky, the You Tube app will be on there already - it really doesn't take too much to figure it out.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
And this, for me, is the prime argument against LIV...
It doesn't mean anything.. it's exhibition golf, there's no prestige, there's no adding your name to a 100 year old Championship...all you get is even more money.....
Bottom line..again...if they weren't being paid many, many millions of dollars they wouldn't be there....
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Don't forget they all tee off and finish at the same time; and only play 3 rounds. So it's mainly about playing less golf to spend more time with family and not only about the money........!!
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Phil, the LIV bot line is beyond dreary, maybe I should respond by referring you to Liverpoolphilistine, because when it comes to proffesional golf, it seems that is where you sit?
All you try to do on here is put down people that don't agree with you, as repeating somebody elses views - well that's all you are doing, repeating the views of the pro PGA standpoint.
I made a point about Ryder Cup qualification, and you say I wanted to drag LIV into it, and yet look, Golf.com seem to think my point is valid, so quite why you can't is beyond me.
https://golf.com/news/could-liv-golfers-qualify-europe-ryder-cup-qualification/
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A few middle aged blokes arguing on a form does not equal intense interest ?
If there was any real interest the viewing figures would be much higher. In the UK alone there are reported to be 5.3 million adults who play golf.
LiV gets a few 10s of thousand views. Given it’s free to watch you would except more if there was genuine interest.
As has been said. People just don’t want to watch meaningless exhibition golf.
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Deleted member 29109
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Don't forget they all tee off and finish at the same time; and only play 3 rounds. So it's mainly about playing less golf to spend more time with family and not only about the money........!!
No. It’s all about better treatment for the caddies.
Swango1980
Well-known member
It would be interesting to know how much golf people actually watch?
How many people actually sit down and watch every golf tournament on TV in general? I guess there might be some. However, I'd have thought most would definitely sit down to watch the Majors, and probably even the WGC's, Ryder Cup and a small handful of other tournaments throughout the year. The prestigious ones, and events like the Fedex playoffs. What is it that sparks this interest in these events, and not some bog standard event in January? I'd imagine it will be because they often have virtually all the best players, and they are playing for something steeped in history. Their performances also have some purpose outside just the tournament itself, with world ranking points, FedEx points available (and this is even true for the less popular events).
So, what does LIV golf offer television viewing fans that will spark their interest? Yes, they have a bunch of decent players, but the only thing they are playing for is lining their own pockets. I don't think that is the sort of thing that excites fans? All the other things it is doing are just plain gimmicky, like the team event, 54 holes and shotgun start. Been covered before, but all it does is actually provide significantly less broadcasting time to fans, as everything is condensed into a shorter time period. Honestly, in terms of fans, who really cares who wins the next LIV event!? It is completely hollow.
I can't gauge popularity from this forum, as regular posters are going to be hugely biased one way or another. However, I've not heard any interest amongst my friends and club members about the golf, in comparison to interest in Majors, WGC's, etc. The only talking point has nothing to do with the golf, but the politics about who is going to go and how much money they are getting. So, there is an interest in the impact on the professional golfing world, rather than any interest whatsoever on the playing of the golf itself.
So, I can't see LIV golf being any more popular than a low key regular tour event, from a fans perspective. Even less so, if the final results have no longer term impacts on the players standing in any form of ranking points (world, Fedex, race to Dubai, etc) or exemptions to future events. So, if it is never going to get anywhere near as much attention as the Majors, WGCs and Ryder Cup, then I reckon LIV is just going to end up being a bit rubbish. Certainly not going to generate the sort of money to continue bankrolling the players over the longer term
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This thread has virtually no interest in the play, but there is lots of speculation on who they have "bought now." All the chatter is about the mercenary nature of the circus and the strong whiff of hypocrisy from the players who have taken the cash.
Oh, except for one person on here defending this "ground breaking golf tour!"
The thread, and other reporting demonstrates the intense interest in the Saudi v PGAt dogfight. It doesnt indicate anything about interest in LIV golf per se.
In fairness the problem will and is the format, it’s maybe fine for the odd tournament etc, but not all the time.
I’ll only watch golf if it’s a major or in Scotland normally, unless I’m home alone and it will be on in the background, if they can get a TV deal, you’d think that could be a game changer.
I’ll only watch golf if it’s a major or in Scotland normally, unless I’m home alone and it will be on in the background, if they can get a TV deal, you’d think that could be a game changer.
