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The ET will sit at 2 because it has access to the majors
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The ET will sit at 2 because it has access to the majors
RRidges
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I don't believe that's the fundamental driver (sic) behind golfers career moves.Hence why i said it’s just about rich golfers getting richer ?
But when a startup body uses massively increased rewards to successfully lure members away, it's natural for the original body to adjust their policies to compete. It's no different than in fast food wars where a new product is introduced and is successful - competitors will introduce an equivalent to avoid losing existing customers.
RRidges
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Except for the original bung!
PGAT simply uses a different metric for how it rewards its most valuable players. And, to me, a more equitable and certainl ay more even-handed method. Though LIV can react quicker if they want to snatch a player deemed to be desirable.
RRidges
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A ridiculous metric considering the amount of manipulation that can be performed on that medium!
But certainly DPWT needs to address the same issues that PGAT is doing.
So it will either react or lose players.
Pelley isn't daft, in spite of his 'taste' in specs!
DPWT still has the 2nd largest pool of candidates and is the obvious path for them, even if they have higher aspirations.
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I’d like to think that the bottom line is golf is poorer for all this crap going on.
We need the best players playing week in, week out against each other.
The tours need to come together and sort something out.
To say at least DJ and BDC on their days aren’t world class is not right, they can still compete with the best.
Money talks these days, regardless if we think they have enough or not.
We need the best players playing week in, week out against each other.
The tours need to come together and sort something out.
To say at least DJ and BDC on their days aren’t world class is not right, they can still compete with the best.
Money talks these days, regardless if we think they have enough or not.
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The best players rarely play week in week out.
Maybe so James, but I think you know the point I’m getting at.
Whenever the ‘big’ tournaments are on we need the best playing.
There is world class players playing LIV and on the PGA.
There has to be a common ground.
RRidges
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That's the purpose/function of the Majors. Week in week is neither desirable, nor possible imo.
LIV players have access to OWGR points, which allows them access to Majors, through Asian Tour - as Mel has often pointed out. So if they really want to do that, they have the means. There's also other qualification process in place.
But I think they believe - or they may have been told that - they are entitled to both take the money AND will still have access to Majors via OWGR.
And the logistics of implemented OWGR points for LIV events hasn't really been addressed either!
Unless LIV opens up their events to non-LIV players, there's actually no real comparison of LIV players performance against non-LIV players - and vice-versa. Only LIV v LIV and non-LIV v non-LIV. Should LIV players have their OWGR ranking frozen? Absolutely not imo! LIV plyers have the means to gain points and that's what they should do! It was their - supposedly informed - choice to go to LIV, so both the benefits and disadvantages should apply imo!
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Or make the Forum invitational? Perhaps with the tag line GM Forum But Louder......!
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Why is that? I'm certain that it acts within whatever rules it's required to do!
BubbaP
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Many pages ago I posted something like "I suspect I may not like the destination, although right now am finding the early part of the journey fascinating"
The destination may be clarifying earlier than I thought.
Mentioned before I felt the traditional majors were under pressure recently from the purses for The Players & FedEx. We might have a situation soon where 25+ events (across PGAT & LIV) could have higher purses than the traditional majors - could become tricky for them.
Maybe Tiger did change golf forever ??
https://www.si.com/golf/news/pga-to...d-reject-players-idea-of-limited-field-events
The destination may be clarifying earlier than I thought.
Mentioned before I felt the traditional majors were under pressure recently from the purses for The Players & FedEx. We might have a situation soon where 25+ events (across PGAT & LIV) could have higher purses than the traditional majors - could become tricky for them.
Maybe Tiger did change golf forever ??
https://www.si.com/golf/news/pga-to...d-reject-players-idea-of-limited-field-events
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Not quite following as currently 4 of the 5 "has access to the majors" don't they?
Actually I think it's too early to rank.
Since the OWGR changes and DPWT lost its points protection, it is noticeable that for 3 consecutive weeks the KFT has ranked above the DPWT. Suspect some of that is where we are in the 'season' in the USA, likely DPWT will claw some back later in year but remains to be seen.
Asian tour I'd say is currently behind both but remains to be seen how 2023 plays out.
Mel Smooth
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I'd agree with this, the SOF at the Asian Tour events will be affected by the LIV players deciding or not to play in them, however, as with Poulter last week, those LIV players could seemingly still take part in any future DP WT events (except the co-sanctioned ones where the PGAT would probably step in to prevent that happening), so the DPWT does still have a card up their sleeve if they want to maintain sone kind of status in the game.
RichA
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I would think that the rewards, financial and otherwise, of being an Open Champion or Masters winner far outstrip the value of the cash prize for 1st place. If they didn't then why would some folks be making so much noise about qualifying points?
The qualifying points is just a project fear from the anti LIV lobby. But its a false one. The pgat doesnt control points, nor entry to the majors. Some are trying to present owgr position as the gateway to majors. It is one of several. If there are no points for Saudi players and they disappear from the owgr, the majors will create another entry point for them. The majors are not in this commercial spat.
Qualifying points is a red herring.
Beezerk
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Just heard on the Beeb before I get called a shill, it’s being reported that Cam Smith is signing for LIV on Monday ?
BubbaP
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I guess we find out over the next few years. As fans/followers most of us would like to think so, but the last few months has reinforced the money aspect.
Several US players have skipped the open championship over the years for example.
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The ET has a level of access to The Open for example that none of the other tours have
The likes of the KFT have none going into any major and Asian Tour has very minimal
Depreston
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There's no way that the Asian tour is above the DP or the Korn Ferry actually
or the Korn Ferry actuallySwango1980
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I assume this isn't purely a list of the world's biggest golf tours? I guess "biggest" is subjective, but there there probably are not many metrics that DP is 5th? If it was on player earnings only, then I'd have thought it would be 3rd and LIV probably at 1st (albeit only a small number of players can play, and therefore benefit). However, taking all factors into account, surely the PGA is a clear 1st and DP a clear 2nd. It is arguable if LIV actually counts as a proper golf Tour really and should therefore even be on the list, but that is clearly a circular argument between pro and anti LIV fans.
