LIV Golf

[Ethan]

That applies to any tour, in fact any sport. I don’t know why people are making such a big deal about it. The lower ranked players will know the score, they know they can fall back on the Asian tour (which is growing), so if they have a couple of events on LIV, they’re quids in, and back to where they were prior to a couple of financially rewarding LIV events.

Back on the Asian Tour having previously been on the PGA or DP World Tour, but now banned from those, not so good. I doubt they will adopt the same breezy attitude that you have. These guys think they are making a one-way trip to a land of mucho moolah.

 

[Imurg]

The ex PGA boys will have to play a good few Asian events to match their PGA earnings which means spending a fair chunk of time crossing the Pacific every week...
They might be OK..
Guys like Horsefield or Cantor....might have to come back to the DP...what sort of reception will he get from his fellow Pros who maybe resent what they've done?
The conversations could be brief if either are paired with EddieP..

 

[Oddsocks]

The question I have asked in the post -

How does the events appeal to younger people compared to the standard events ?

What is the difference between the 6’s they tried ?

Is it because it’s broadcast on a tablet/smartphone friendly

As for the future - what happens next will mainly determined by what happens with ranking points etc - if LIV events get ranking points that allows entry into majors then that’s a game changer

For me in short golf is pretty boring to watch on the TV unless on the odd occasion you get a nail biting finish, the open was a great example of this and while the tension and competition was building the whole round, it really come into its prime on the back 9.

The die hards (or duffers) will appreciate the pedigree, history and intensity to this but there is an element of the community pre LIV that just wouldn’t and haven’t engaged in 4 day all day viewing, 10hrs a day. The younger and especially the younger noobs to the hand have young family’s, busy personal life’s, work longer hours and whether we like it or not want everything at a faster pace and LIV fits that profile.

Factor that in with slow play and pro rounds were ridiculous for a bunch of groups let alone the final 5-10 groups each day and people disconnect.

On the final day I only switched on for the final three groups as that’s where the action was and I couldn’t justify a complete day.

I like the concept of the team event although I would like to see the teams remain for more then one round, but the facts are:
A) the 10hrs of viewing in now 5hrs, people will generally stay engaged for the shorter period.
B) there is also the team event comp running at the same time, someone can be having a stinker but still acknowledge they are contributing to a team score.
C) the commentary seems more energetic and not dull. Self explanatory, even the wife has commented on this.
D) I don’t need an expensive TV package to watch it. The future is other media platforms and LIV have jumped on this.
E) I can catch up weeks later via digital platforms. I can’t always sit down on broad cart days especially stateside stuff. However, I can catch up on an hour here, 30mins on the train etc.

Different approaches will appeal to different people, and if nothing more i hope it’s a success.

No doubt someone will disagree.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

For me in short golf is pretty boring to watch on the TV unless on the odd occasion you get a nail biting finish, the open was a great example of this and while the tension and competition was building the whole round, it really come into its prime on the back 9.

The die hards (or duffers) will appreciate the pedigree, history and intensity to this but there is an element of the community pre LIV that just wouldn’t and haven’t engaged in 4 day all day viewing, 10hrs a day. The younger and especially the younger noobs to the hand have young family’s, busy personal life’s, work longer hours and whether we like it or not want everything at a faster pace and LIV fits that profile.

Factor that in with slow play and pro rounds were ridiculous for a bunch of groups let alone the final 5-10 groups each day and people disconnect.

On the final day I only switched on for the final three groups as that’s where the action was and I couldn’t justify a complete day.

I like the concept of the team event although I would like to see the teams remain for more then one round, but the facts are:
A) the 10hrs of viewing in now 5hrs, people will generally stay engaged for the shorter period.
B) there is also the team event comp running at the same time, someone can be having a stinker but still acknowledge they are contributing to a team score.
C) the commentary seems more energetic and not dull. Self explanatory, even the wife has commented on this.
D) I don’t need an expensive TV package to watch it. The future is other media platforms and LIV have jumped on this.
E) I can catch up weeks later via digital platforms. I can’t always sit down on broad cart days especially stateside stuff. However, I can catch up on an hour here, 30mins on the train etc.

Different approaches will appeal to different people, and if nothing more i hope it’s a success.

No doubt someone will disagree.

Cheers

By condensing the action into a small time slot do you think there is a risk of missing lots of the action ? Of the action I saw it just seemed to jump from putt to putt , didn’t seen much ball striking etc - but that’s got to be hard to show action when they are all on the course at the same time.

Slow play won’t go because its a shotgun start

The event is finished quickly - yep its prob half the time , so I’m guessing depending on time zones etc events in the US will probably start late ? ( we normally get the early starters/group around tee times etc )

The one thing I find with the tour events is you can jump in and out and still get a feel of how the comp is going.

Teams - I just don’t get it , i support teams in other sports when they are working together to get a result , it just doesn’t seem or feel right when it’s manufactured together.

When it was 6’s it was great , they were together in the same team playing in the same tee time - that allowed them to form a partnership- it also only took just under 2 hours

Commentary ? About to get David Feherty and Charles Barkley - I guess it was a bit Chris Kamara and a bit more “bumbling” - a bit like the TT commentary. It’s a fair shout that the standard Tour commentary isn’t “exciting” - it’s more technical as such

Media platform - if it stays on free social media then yep that’s a huge selling point for them , the others do have some level of social media but not full events. The question is will it always be on free social media ?

And as for disagreeing or agreeing - that’s just people having a debate , your points and opinions are valid and put across respectfully, you clearly aren’t a fan of the current tour viewing experience- I can certainly see why that is ( I don’t really watch much beyond the majors.

The issues I have are more the administration of the LiV by Norman and how he is going about it all

 

[Mel Smooth]

Back on the Asian Tour having previously been on the PGA or DP World Tour, but now banned from those, not so good. I doubt they will adopt the same breezy attitude that you have. These guys think they are making a one-way trip to a land of mucho moolah.

The Asian Tour will surpass the DP tour in the coming years, and besides, how many ex DP or PGA tour players can you name that have now had to seek refuge on the Asian Tour.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Asian Tour will surpass the DP tour in the coming years, and besides, how many ex DP or PGA tour players can you name that have now had to seek refuge on the Asian Tour.

Why will the Asian Tour surpass the ET ?

The Asian Tour isn’t even at the level of the Japanese or Sunshine Tour right now

 

[Mel Smooth]

Why will the Asian Tour surpass the ET ?

The Asian Tour isn’t even at the level of the Japanese or Sunshine Tour right now

Because the prize money is increasing, the international series is being expanded, and some of the Worlds best players look likely to transition from LIV

Meanwhile the DP tours best players are offski to the PGA Tour.

 

[Ethan]

The Asian Tour will surpass the DP tour in the coming years, and besides, how many ex DP or PGA tour players can you name that have now had to seek refuge on the Asian Tour.

If they are banned from their original Tours there will be some.

 

[Oddsocks]

Cheers



And as for disagreeing or agreeing - that’s just people having a debate , your points and opinions are valid and put across respectfully, you clearly aren’t a fan of the current tour viewing experience- I can certainly see why that is ( I don’t really watch much beyond the majors.

The issues I have are more the administration of the LiV by Norman and how he is going about it all

I tend to watch the majors only because the rest just drags, even recently some of the majors seem flat and I normally doze off. I love the sport how ever I’d go as far to say I’m more engaged in Tv Football verses golf and that’s coming from someone who doesn’t follow football.

Re the administration of liv, while his actions may not meet the approval of the traditionalist of our sport, taking on multiple tours to create his own was never going to win friends.

Like any business he has had to rock multiple boats and if you take your moral hat off, he has kept liv at the fore front of most media platforms and forums etc so he’s plan is actually pretty well thought out and he has done well.

The recent stenson poach I mean come on… its melted the internet on all platforms and no doubt his next moves are an ready planned. The same with Bryson, kepka etc, he is constantly in the media. He is a man with a very strategic plan and it’s working, approve or not.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Because the prize money is increasing, the international series is being expanded, and some of the Worlds best players look likely to transition from LIV

Meanwhile the DP tours best players are offski to the PGA Tour.

So you think it will surpass based on the money then ?

Which players are “offski” to the PGA and no longer on the ET ?

The field at the most recent DP Event was the stronger than any event on LIV or Asian Tour

The ET and RTD have access into the majors , wgc , Ryder Cup - it has the new co sanctioned events between the PGA and ET - if anything it’s getting stronger and holds more cards than the Asian Tour can gain

 

[Mel Smooth]

If they are banned from their original Tours there will be some.

But you can’t name them…?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I tend to watch the majors only because the rest just drags, even recently some of the majors seem flat and I normally doze off. I love the sport how ever I’d go as far to say I’m more engaged in Tv Football verses golf and that’s coming from someone who doesn’t follow football.

Re the administration of liv, while his actions may not meet the approval of the traditionalist of our sport, taking on multiple tours to create his own was never going to win friends.

Like any business he has had to rock multiple boats and if you take your moral hat off, he has kept liv at the fore front of most media platforms and forums etc so he’s plan is actually pretty well thought out and he has done well.

The recent stenson poach I mean come on… its melted the internet on all platforms and no doubt his next moves are an ready planned. The same with Bryson, kepka etc, he is constantly in the media. He is a man with a very strategic plan and it’s working, approve or not.

He is man with deep pockets - a man who can use unlimited wealth to attract players.

There isn’t much game plan or strategy involved imo - it’s putting a lot of money on a fishing rod and seeing who bites and grabbing them - as with human nature there will always be people looking to increase their wealth and he went for the right people

As for rocking the boat - that’s what he wants to do because it seems of last grudges etc - there was lots of talk of growing the game etc but getting Stenson has nothing to do with growing the game

I still think if they had someone instead of GN then this would all be worked out a lot better and the Tours would be working with LIV etc - but with Norman there it’s just never going to happen , I think it will get to a stage where they will need to replace him , did read an article that Mark King ( ex head of TM ) was being spoken to

I don’t expect any bridges being built with Norman there - and I don’t tbink the tour will progress beyond an exhibition with a mix of players until Norman goes

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Still groundhog day in here.....

 

[Ethan]

But you can’t name them…?

It is in the future, obviously. Surely even you realise that?

Apologies for not being psychic about exactly which of the current makeweight players seduced into joining the LIV Tour will be kicked to the kerb, but there will be some.

 

[Mel Smooth]

It is in the future, obviously. Surely even you realise that?

Apologies for not being psychic about exactly which of the current makeweight players seduced into joining the LIV Tour will be kicked to the kerb, but there will be some.

What’s in the future? There are already players that have been dropped from LIV series, that’s in the past.

Can you name any that haven’t been able to go back to their respective tours?

 

[Ethan]

What’s in the future? There are already players that have been dropped from LIV series, that’s in the past.

Can you name any that haven’t been able to go back to their respective tours?

I haven't been following the careers of players I had not previously heard of. Let me know when someone more famous has been dropped. Better still, let me know what they are doing next yourself, because I probably won't care about them.

The username LordHawHaw is free. You should consider it as the LIV Tour propagandist in chief around here.

 

[Jigger]

I agree it’s a decent idea but that’s 70 players missing out from either tour - what about all those players that have qualifed with a full Tour card ? Why should they miss out ?

But that would still be subsidised in some way because it would still be the mens game bringing in the sponserships

There have been a number of mixed events - Sweden did one , 6’s etc

But the set up within the game is reflective of the dynamics within the game right now

Equality is great but must be equal in all aspects

I could flip that around and say it’s ok for women to miss out then?

In the end of the day people want to see top elite players and sponsors want that too. As a spectator, If the men aren’t good enough to be in the top 70 then tough quite frankly. They can go play on the Korn ferry and make a few hundred grand.

 

[RRidges]

What’s in the future? There are already players that have been dropped from LIV series, that’s in the past.

Can you name any that haven’t been able to go back to their respective tours?

Please tell us which ones.
I can't find any reference to them, though it's probably not something GN would want to broadcast.
Internal document only? Or maybe just something else made up.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Jaysus, I'm now making up that players who played at Centurion are no longer on the roster due to the new players that have signed up.

This place is absolutely friggin mental.

 

[Ethan]

Jaysus, I'm now making up that players who played at Centurion are no longer on the roster due to the new players that have signed up.

This place is absolutely friggin mental.

Well, you said some players had been kicked off. Who?