LIV Golf

[Foxholer]

LIV will be comparatively far bigger than MLS, it already has a widespread global appeal that the MLS doesn't, and will never have.
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Agreed-ish. I did state 'better, if still iffy' Tough to actually make comparisons between different sports as they have so many different setups. MLS did/does have some over-the-hill stars earning OTT amounts - perhaps less so these days than a while ago though.

 

[woofers]

It’s not unavoidable, you make your own choice.

Disagree, I have yet to go to fuel (petrol / diesel) station which displays the country of origin on the pump of said fuel. So I don’t really have a choice.
Spare me the tears for Scott Hend or any pro golfer, they have made a choice to be a pro golfer, if they don’t like it or it’s getting tough, do something else !

 

[BrianM]

Disagree, I have yet to go to fuel (petrol / diesel) station which displays the country of origin on the pump of said fuel. So I don’t really have a choice.
Spare me the tears for Scott Hend or any pro golfer, they have made a choice to be a pro golfer, if they don’t like it or it’s getting tough, do something else !

Disagree all you like, if you really want to find out you can, just like all your everyday products you buy that are made using oil.
Ignorance isn’t an excuse.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

sorry I thought we didn’t import that much oil from Saudi ?‍

https://www.goodto.com/money/where-does-uk-get-oil-gas-654919

can’t understand that argument or trying to compare golfers taking money directly from the Saudi state to people filling their car up ?‍

 

[Hobbit]

Disagree all you like, if you really want to find out you can, just like all your everyday products you buy that are made using oil.
Ignorance isn’t an excuse.

Amazing all these intelligent people who plead ignorance. They know exactly what so many products are made from.

But doesn’t that just narrow the argument? Let’s have a look at the US’s gun laws, or their protectionist trading. Granted their human rights laws are more enlightened, though maybe not in application.

I just find all the faux rage so amusing… glass houses and stones spring to mind.

 

[BrianM]

sorry I thought we didn’t import that much oil from Saudi ?‍

https://www.goodto.com/money/where-does-uk-get-oil-gas-654919

can’t understand that argument or trying to compare golfers taking money directly from the Saudi state to people filling their car up ?‍

It’s clear you don’t understand the argument.

People always have a choice on what products they buy and where from if they are really that morally concerned.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It’s clear you don’t understand the argument.

People always have a choice on what products they buy and where from if they are really that morally concerned.

Can you confirm how I can choose which petrol I can have ? When I got to Morrisons or Tescos it doesn’t seem to ensure that I’m not getting petrol that’s been imported from Saudi Arabia ?‍

 

[BrianM]

Can you confirm how I can choose which petrol I can have ? When I got to Morrisons or Tescos it doesn’t seem to ensure that I’m not getting petrol that’s been imported from Saudi Arabia ?‍

It’s not just fuel though, there is 100’s of products that are made using oil, if you really really want to know where products come from you can find out.

Would you buy products from China knowing about there atrocious record on child labour.

 

[pokerjoke]

Who is accepting millions from arms sales ? When did I have the choice on the government selling arms

Start a thread about selling arms and I’ll decry it , I can’t recall ever being happy about it

This thread is about golfers and golfers accepting money from a horrific regime

Your last point is the whole point though Phil
People excepting money from a horrific regime,then on the other hand spending money on everyday things from similar regimes.
However some argue because they believe there morals are above others when clearly they are not,but will argue the toss because they want to try and come across as whiter than white.
Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way.
Also stating some players will never do that is narrow minded.

 

[Foxholer]

Disagree all you like, if you really want to find out you can, just like all your everyday products you buy that are made using oil.
Ignorance isn’t an excuse.

These are the latest figures I can find for Oil imports. I'm sure I've seen some later ones, so if anyone can produce more recent ones, I'm happy to accept the more recent ones. As someone 'in the industry' you may have more recent numbers. https://www.statista.com/statistics...import-origin-countries-to-united-kingdom-uk/
Certainly most comes from Norway and these figures don't show how the Russian contribution was covered. I don't believe Johnson's expedition to Saudi achieved any increase in their contribution, so still minimal.
As I posted earlier, as I have little to no control about where the government imports the source of the petrol I buy, any issues I have with their sources, I direct at the government, not at the end supplier. Not the same as the likes of Nike's labour issues though.

 

[BrianM]

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pg...s-to-players-competing-in-saudi-international

Older now, but it was ok for some back then, also Rory saying they are independent contractors.

 

[Foxholer]

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pg...s-to-players-competing-in-saudi-international

Older now, but it was ok for some back then, also Rory saying they are independent contractors.

So they are happy to give releases to players in a non-competing/associate/feeder tour, but not for a tournament in a tour that's an 'existential threat' to them. Sounds ok to me!
And as far as I know 'independent contractors' is exactly what they are. But, as such, they will have a contract that will specify such things as how they go about requesting releases. it's that area that's likely to be tested in court if it comes to that. And, in the case of DPWT, the sanctions available to 'the Tour' if those rules are not complied with.

 

[BrianM]

So they are happy to give releases to players in a non-competing/associate/feeder tour, but not for a tournament in a tour that's an 'existential threat' to them. Sounds ok to me!
And as far as I know 'independent contractors' is exactly what they are. But, as such, they will have a contract that will specify such things as how they go about requesting releases. it's that area that's likely to be tested in court if it comes to that. And, in the case of DPWT, the sanctions available to 'the Tour' if those rules are not complied with.

I know that, but surely the players that played forgot about all there morals to play that tournament.

https://www.golfchannel.com/tours/a...national-powered-softbank-investment-advisers

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Going to close the thread for a while so everyone can go have a nice cup of tea and calm down a bit

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Thread reopened, but play nice or it will be closed permanently and that would be a shame as it is a huge talking point.

 

[D-S]

And they’re off….
https://images.app.goo.gl/ifhLbWXsLYz4Ltec6

 

[Jimaroid]

Why was my post deleted?

 

[Leftitshort]

Why was my post deleted?

Loads have been. Even the most rational. This thread doesn’t make sense now. It’s just a series of statements without any right to reply. Interesting that the original (semi) inflammatory posts are left, but subsequent, considered replies are deleted.
post 3626 sums it up for me. No need to add anything else

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I’ve cleaned it up as best I can

Posts which quoted deleted posts have been deleted too. Otherwise they don’t make sense.

If that’s yours and you want to repeat your point, feel free, but having a go at me really isn’t the best way forward in this thread ?

 

[Mel Smooth]

So the relevant story yesterday was Norman not getting invited to the Champions dinner, can see why the R&A have done it, but sadly, it's just going to create more hyperbole around The Open.

Another bad decision that just splits golf further.