LIV Golf

[Foxholer]

That wasn't what I asked, so lets try again. You said "LIV may trigger improvements". LIV are trying to attract players at the top end not at the bottom. So how would LIV be an encouragement to PGAT reducing rewards for the top players. It makes zero sense.

Well, they haven't been particularly successful if that's the case! 1 (DJ) barely in the top 20; 1 (BdC) around 30 and only a few others below or around 100. Most of those are 'on the decline' so happy to take a big retirement bung and play for fun - and loadsamoney (if it's real) occasionally!

 

[pokerjoke]

Rory calling for the tours to start talking.
He certainly getting the FOMO
#notdoingitformoneythough

 

[BubbaP]

....They choose, within limits, where to play to optimise their chances of making good money, and if they play well, they get paid well.

In the Portland LIV event, Jediah Morgan got paid $120,000 for finishing dead last with 3 rounds totalling +21, 34 shots behind the winner. I think he should be paying them.

Am not on either 'side' of the debate, but in the interest of balance it looks like the player finishing dead last (excluding the withdrawals) in the St Jude 2021 was 29 shots behind the winner, and was paid $35,500.
Clearly not the same, but perhaps not that different either.

 

[Ethan]

Am not on either 'side' of the debate, but in the interest of balance it looks like the player finishing dead last (excluding the withdrawals) in the St Jude 2021 was 29 shots behind the winner, and was paid $35,500.
Clearly not the same, but perhaps not that different either.

That was a FedEx playoff event, so all players had qualified through a season of events with halfway cuts. Jediah probably wouldn't have made it that far, but got 3 times as much.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Or are we now giving out participation medals for professionals?

The LIV tour isn't a circus or an exhibition. It's a sports day at a special needs school. There are no losers and everyone gets a prize.

 

[Mel Smooth]

The LIV tour isn't a circus or an exhibition. It's a sports day at a special needs school. There are no losers and everyone gets a prize.

Come on dude, that is a bad comment to make. Your out of order there.

 

[Foxholer]

Bryson has already stated a lot of his 125 million is going back into grass roots sport.

Would he have been able to do that without 'LIV?

Absolutely! At least he'd be expected to be able to. But maybe he's anticipating inability to perform well enough in the future.
Oh and I can't see the words 'a lot' or the specific amount going back...Simply one of at least 4 or5 areas he'll be putting the money.
He has said that he operates his golf as a business - and that he's 'broke' again! Do you have an actual figure? Or is it just your usual exaggeration/spin?

 

[Baldy Bouncer]

The LIV tour isn't a circus or an exhibition. It's a sports day at a special needs school. There are no losers and everyone gets a prize.

Superb!!! Take a bow Sir.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Absolutely! At least he'd be expected to be able to. But maybe he's anticipating inability to perform well enough in the future.
Oh and I can't see the words 'a lot' or the specific amount going back...Simply one of at least 4 or5 areas he'll be putting the money.
He has said that he operates his golf as a business - and that he's 'broke' again! Do you have an actual figure? Or is it just your usual exaggeration/spin?

Ok ‘some’ of his money.

 

[Foxholer]

Ok ‘some’ of his money.

Confirming 'your usual exaggeration/spin' then!

 

[Mel Smooth]

Confirming 'your usual exaggeration/spin' then!

No. Confirming that some of his 125 million has gone back into his grass roots and sports ventures.

It will still be a lot of money.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Come on dude, that is a bad comment to make. Your out of order there.

Something we agree on

 

[Foxholer]

No. Confirming that some of his 125 million has gone back into his grass roots and sports ventures.

It will still be a lot of money.

I hope it will be!
But as you have no idea how much, it's back to spin and more spin! Normal service resumed!

 

[ColchesterFC]

Come on dude, that is a bad comment to make. Your out of order there.

Making a joke about a sports day at a special needs school is bad in your view? But golfers accepting millions of dollars from a corrupt regime that murders journalists is ok? Thanks, but I think I'll stick with my moral compass.

 

[BrianM]

Making a joke about a sports day at a special needs school is bad in your view? But golfers accepting millions of dollars from a corrupt regime that murders journalists is ok? Thanks, but I think I'll stick with my moral compass.

That’s a poor comment, I’m surprised at it, comparing it to disabled school children competing is a new low for this forum.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Is that scott Hend who has career earnings ( just comp money ) of over £5.5 mil ?

That’s £5mil doesn’t include all his endorsements over the years

And a footballer is “employed” by the club

Who employs the golfer

£5mil he has earned , must be tough for him

Wait until he hears about what people get paid on minimum wage. ??

 

[Barking_Mad]

No. Confirming that some of his 125 million has gone back into his grass roots and sports ventures.

It will still be a lot of money.

It's a handy tax dodge I'm sure.

 

[Foxholer]

It's a handy tax dodge I'm sure.

It's still money 'out of his pocket' and there'll no doubt be better 'tax-efficient' ways to invest the 'windfall'.
Any investment in Junior Golf is welcome.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1545405165775339520

Pat Perez being ….. Pat Perez

Surprised he didn’t have his dollar shirt on

 

[BubbaP]

That was a FedEx playoff event, so all players had qualified through a season of events with halfway cuts. Jediah probably wouldn't have made it that far, but got 3 times as much.

Just going to wander off piste for a bit - imagine when the Liv gang turned up wanting to hold an invitational tournament & the established tours said 'crack on, no restrictions' - what does everyone think they would have done?
I'm guessing invite the top 48 or so players, and fill any gaps with players from the top 100 or so.
Clearly the existing tours weren't going to do that, & I'm not surprised.
It may be the Liv gang conclude they've made a mistake and toddle off into the sunset. But if not, for now they are having to pursue other strategies which are unlikely to be their longer term goal. So I'd suggest a year from now would be the time to judge whatever they've done with regard to field strength etc. Plenty of speculation above of course.

Coming back to the St Jude, although it had Fed Ex involvement it wasn't actually a play off event, it was WGC-FedEx St. Jude Invitational.
Here are the invite guidelines:
- Ranked in the top-50 golfers in the world.
- Winning a tournament with an Official World Golf Rankings strength-of-field rating of 115 or higher.
- Then golfers outside the top 50 in ranking order

Almost looks like a template ?

Anyway, I've no actual idea what their plans are, and no crystal ball to claim I know how it will pan out. If they did pack up I wouldn't be bothered. Just adding my 2 pence into the debate....